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 mjshroomer
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Registered: 07/21/99
Posts: 13,774
Loc: gone with my shrooms
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 Re: Family poisoned in Santa Cruz, California  [Re: pscyanescens]
#6454097 - 01/12/07 10:17 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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In most primitive to modern cultures, many of those who studied in those eras, especially the food hunter-gatherers, knew poisonous mushrooms.
Mushrooms were used in early paganistic societies and used in witchcraft, ceremoniously and/or in a ritualistic manner for a means, and used also as a method of inevitable etarnal sleep; A poison.
Claudius died from a poisonous mushroom.
The Borgias used them to poison their enemies as well as their own family members.
Buddha also died from mushroom poisoning.
For several thousand generations, there are certain individuals from one generation to another, who have learned the secrets of what mushrooms were edible and what mushrooms were toxic and/or poisonous.
Major errs in identification when someone from Asia or from Russian and Baltic States, pick and eat a toxic shroom which they say looked exactly like the mushrooms they picked and ate in their own countries.
I do not believe this. What I do believe is that they picked a mushroom that macroscopically resembled a mushroom they gathered in their woods or gardens in their own countries.
The Thai Hill-Tribes groups (Many Mao [Hmong]), eat Lepiota procura, but then there are other Lepiotas that might make one sick. I generally have taught others that you first learn what not to pick. three species of Galerina and one species Conocybe (Orange-colored gills) and the Deadly White amanita species with white spores). So no orange or white-gilled mushrooms.
You delineate or eliminate them from Psilocybe by the color of their spores.
Galerina and Conocybe species have an ochraceous orangy to cinnamon buff color to them and an orange and or white veil remnant on them and Psilocybe are chocolate-brown to dark purple-brown.
While most Psilocybes can be separated by their spore colors from that of Galerina and Conocybe, there are other means also used to distinguish one form another.
The stipe or stem of the mushroom of a Galerina and/or Conocybe species is orange to rusty orange-brown. And with rings.
The stipe of Psilocybe cyanescens is pure white and has no ring and stains blue. To extremely bluer.
Now the 2nd group of deadly poisonous mushrooms which also contain the same deadly toxins as noted in the above-mentioned Galerina's and Conocybe species.
These would be the deadly Amanita species that have white spore colors and do not have chocolate-brown spores as do the Psilocybe genera.
And they are large and have an egg-like sac at the base of the stem resembling a vulva.
So eliminate all white gilled and spored mushrooms and all of those of an orange to orange-brown or cinnamon color and you can pretty much not poison yourself.
Now one last group of poisonous shrooms to eliminate are the blue-staining Boletes. Several species of mushrooms belonging to the genera of Boletus can be elinated by the fact they do not have gills but instead, have a porous bottom, so you can ignore those completely.
Of course there are about ten other toxic shrooms belonging to different genera, Coprinus has one species that causes symptoms similar to those attributed to someone who takes antibuse and then has a drink. There are deadly Entoloma species.
But that’s a simple four minute course in mushroom Identification. That will be $17.50 donations to the Katrina Fund form each person who reads this.
He. He! Just Kidding.
If you take biology in college, take a few mycology courses if your school has them. Many do
mj
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auweia
mountain biking
Registered: 12/03/05
Posts: 2,404
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Re: Family poisoned in Santa Cruz, California [Re: mjshroomer]
#6454161 - 01/12/07 10:48 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you take biology in college, take a few mycology courses if your school has them. Many do
mj
yeah, good advice as always
it's important to take the time out to study something you're going to pick in the wild...if you're going out there in the wild to pick, don't eat them, unless you know your shit
that's the most common advice among ALL of the mycology departments...if there is ANY doubt, I mean even the smallest of doubt, toss them out..throw them away...don't eat them
all of the mycology departments say that
don't even try unless you know better (and even that is subjective)
Edited by auweia (01/12/07 10:51 PM)
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CureCat
Strangest
Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 13,949
Loc: clawing your furniture
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 Re: Family poisoned in Santa Cruz, California [Re: new2grow]
#6455046 - 01/13/07 09:03 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Convergent evolution rules.
A good example is wings- insects, birds, and bats have developed wings, along separate evolutionary paths, yet, the design is similar and serves the same purpose; though, the traits themselves are not genetically relative.
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new2grow said:How would mushrooms evolve to be like other ones? i mean the eye can't tell good from bad. So how could that have happened?
Evolution, as said before, relies on a couple rules:
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"Darwinian processes
In a modern definition of the term, a Darwinian process requires the following schema:
1. Self-replication/Inheritance: Some number of entities must be capable of producing copies of themselves, and those copies must also be capable of reproduction. The new copies must inherit the traits of old ones. Sometimes the different variations are recombined in sexual reproduction.
2. Variation: There must be a range of different traits in the population of entities, and there must be a mechanism for introducing new variations into the population.
3. Selection: Inherited traits must somehow affect the ability of the entities to reproduce themselves, either by survival (natural selection), or by ability to produce offspring by finding partners (sexual selection).
If the entity or organism survives to reproduce, the process restarts. Sometimes, in stricter formulations, it is required that variation and selection act on different entities, variation on the replicator (genotype) and selection on the interactor (phenotype).
Darwinism asserts that any system given these conditions, by whatever means, evolution is likely to occur. That is, over time, the entities will accumulate complex traits that favor their reproduction. This is called Universal Darwinism, a term coined by Richard Dawkins in his 1976 book The Selfish Gene.
Most obviously, this can refer to biological evolution. However, it has other potential spheres, the best known of which is the meme, a concept of inheritance and modification of ideas introduced by Richard Dawkins in The Selfish Gene and further refined by researchers such as Richard Brodie and Susan Blackmore. It has been disputed if this was a Darwinian process, since it is unproven that memes undergo random mutations."
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new2grow said:
wouldn't God have made some bad, as a warning that too much of the goods can be bad.
Is death really a "warning"??
I'd hope that an all powerful and compassionate entity would warn me BEFORE I had consumed a poisonous mushroom. Warnings usually serve to deter.... kinda useless if you are dieing, eh?
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Edited by CureCat (01/13/07 09:06 AM)
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