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 'Head shocks'?
#6451326 - 01/12/07 06:29 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I have searched a bit for something on this and found a few things but still wanted to make this post and ask if anyone has anything to say about it.
This thread is the closest I found for what I am looking for.
Last night I had shrooms for my fifth time. The firsttwo times were fresh, mild doses (feeling stoned), the third had some pretty strong visuals (morphing faces, loss of perspective/distance etc.) [from dried shrooms], the fourth time (last week, dried) had mild visuals with a hell of a lot of giggling and last night (dried again) was a mild, thoughtful time.
Up until last week, I've never had anything 'bad' happen to me while tripping. I was outside with some mates and volunteered to venture inside to fetch one of them a beer. I got to the laundry (where the drink fridge is) and opened the door. i was in a really good trippy state and for some reason just expected to see the fridge full of beers. There was only one six pack, so I assumed I was looking in the wrong fridge. I closed the door and looked at the next fridge. It said 'freezer' so I knew it wasn't that. I went to open the top half of the first fridge but realised that was also obviously a freezer. I opened the fridge door again and reached down to tear a beer out of the pack.
I knealt down and as I reached in to grab the beer, my head slightly going in to the fridge, the refidgeration noises just became incredibly intense and before I could pull my head back I was hit by a flash of white light and the loudest piercing noise (which sounded almost like two bottles 'clanking' against each other)... It seemed to knock me right back. I closed the fridge door and was too petrified to go back in for the beer. Even later that night just walking past the laundry door put my ears on edge and I had to hurry past.
Other than that, everything was totally cool for the rest of the night.
Now comes last night. We were all inside this time and playing poker... I had some very mild visuals but mostly the trip was just feeling 'trippy' and thinking about things. Probably around three hours after taking the shrooms, I started to have weird feelings.
I had folded my hand and was watching the others. I started concentrating on the dealt cards and it seemed that as I started to put thigns together and figure out what was happening I would be hit by what I would describe head rush or head shock. I could feel it about to come on and then SMACK I would get hit by this horrible feeling in my head. it is hard to describe but it was scary and I guess almost painful?
It happened again later on when, again, I was concentrating on something and 'figured it out'. It was just a crap crap feeling. I quickly lost the rest of my money and retired to bed.
Family Guy was running on the TV and I lay there watching it. As I focused on it and tried to grasp what was happening, I could feel the same head shock coming on again, this time with the sound I heard in the fridge as well. I found that simply by turning the other way and not looking at the TV, it didn't happen.
Eventually I wanted to go to sleep so I got down on the floor (not my bed...) and was now only listening to the TV (it was out of my vision unless I sat up). Closing my eyes I was getting continual swirling patterns and bizarre, evil looking (yet not unpleasant) faces appearing amongst them. The room was illuminated by the TV flicker and lying down on the floor, everything took on a very menacing vibe. Everything from the walls to the somewhat evil-looking backpakc lying next to me seemed to be looming over me and the rushes were continually coming at me.
The best way to avoid the actual shock was to sort of sit up and open my eyes wide as I felt the rush coming. But the second it left, it was coming back.. It was scary and I contemplated just letting the rush come and hit me without trying to fight it but was scared at what might happen. Even when I stopped the shocks from coming, it feels so shit and as I said earlier almost painful. I didn't want anyone else to worry about me if something bad happened by 'going' with the rushes.
Eventually the TV turned itself off and the rushes/shocks stopped altogether. I couldn't get to sleep for a while stil but at least I could rest a bit easier.
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So with that all out of the way... does anyone else have this kind of head rush/shock? It seems like the link I posted at the top was the same/similar thing though nobody seemed to know exactly how or why it happens. I have two 'theories' (more like shoddy explanations), one of which relates to trying to focus too hard on something and the other is somethign to do with the 'electrical noise' caused by the fridge and the TV. However I have experienced the shocks without concentrating and also without any electrical appliances so I don't know for sure.
In a lot of other posts I've read about this (I searched the board for 'head rush') people have said it's an enjoyable experience. What I was going through was anything BUT enjoyable... so am I talking about something different or should I be letting these rushes take hold and see where it takes me?
Could it have anything to do with having the dried shrooms as opposed to fresh? Or having more some only a week apart?
I don't plan on having any more until the season starts again and I can get some fresh ones but would love to know if anyone has anything to say about all this.
Thanks to anyone still reading 
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 Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: Bread]
#6451337 - 01/12/07 06:45 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Sometimes on a very serious binge, of whatever substance, alcohol, hash, shrooms(never just shrooms but together with something) I get similar feelings. Like a powerful and fast raising sound and something like a flash going trough my scull.. But as I said, this has never happened on shrooms alone. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that they are dried.. The drying really doesn't change the basic chemical makeup of them that much..
I think it is a psychological phenomena. Something like a sensory overload..
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: Bread]
#6451352 - 01/12/07 06:57 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds like you need to space your trips out more. I get them if I don't wait at least a month between trips. I used to shroom 2-3 times a month and it would happen almost every time I tripped (this was 7 years ago or so). Now I only trip once or twice a year and it hasn't happened in ages.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: Bread]
#6451364 - 01/12/07 07:05 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Holy shit, that exact things happens to me. Its like a tingle that starts at the base of my spine and by the time it makes it to my head I see like an instant of white light, and a VERY loud noise and my whole body just tenses up for a sec. Hits me like a freight train.
And then, it just goes away. Last time I tripped It had to of happened at least 20 times.
I have found that also it happens once in awile right before I fall completely asleep completely sober.
Very glad someone finally made a post about this.
No idea where it comes from though. Maybe someone will have some insight.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: DuNeRaVeR]
#6451419 - 01/12/07 07:49 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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oh yes , ive had this happen to me before to its not the best feeling neither, i thought i was having a stroke or somthing at first and it really frighten me.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: DuNeRaVeR]
#6451422 - 01/12/07 07:50 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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There is a similar theory about chakras.
That when you have alligned all your chakras the light is focused through all of your chakras, like lenses, and you see the light.
If its out of focus then its off to the side and you cant put your eye on it.
Just what I heard.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: blacksun]
#6451456 - 01/12/07 08:03 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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this seems more of a transition of something to me.
Like hypnogogic flashes.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: Bread]
#6451578 - 01/12/07 08:59 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Ever heard of kundalini shakti? any chance that it has been awakened by the shroom ?
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: krvtz]
#6451687 - 01/12/07 09:50 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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maybe there was some mold / or bacteria in the mushrooms, causing this negative side effect.
Ive gotten something similar before, but not form mushrooms. I felt "ZAPPING" in my head very early in the morning after staying up all night.. Like electric zaps
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You get brain zaps from ecstasy and prozac and shit, I think what these guys are talking about is different.
Its a frightening awareness of realizing that you are alone. Imho.
Turn it around to something positive, like realize that you are the master of realization. It'll most likely turn into real ecstasy.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: slaphappy]
#6451973 - 01/12/07 11:52 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I love how people feeling these pains in their head are told its just psychological or that its not a big deal. I've never heard of this happening, and never had it happen to me, its not a part of tripping. Pain in your head and seeing white lights isnt something thats just part of the trip. If this continues to happen, id stay away from shrooms, especially because you have no idea what is actually going on. Your brain is too precious to fuck with, and I wouldnt take my advice on this from a bunch of non-medical professionals on an internet forum.
If it happens on shrooms, find another drug to get your jollies off of. If it continues to happen, go see a doctor. Pain is your bodies way of saying something is wrong, telling yourself the pain is all psychological isnt smart...especially when you are talking about your brain, you dont get another one.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: Bread]
#6452063 - 01/12/07 12:29 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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The episodes that you experienced and describe are almost exactly identical to an experience that I had several years ago. It happened to me during a period in my life when I was consuming tryptamines, amphetamine, and alcohol on a fairly regular basis. My sleep cycle was all fucked up from the life style I was living, and when I really needed to kick back and relax and get caught up I would voyage on shrooms or DMT. When these flashes or warps started to happen I went to see a doctor about it after an interview and a test or two he told me that in his professional opinion what I had experienced was a seizure. He went on to say that doctors are seeing these exact cases very frequently with the increased usage of the likes of E and Meth and derivatives there of. Basically I was fucking with my circuitry and my brain wasn't hip to it. I will admit that, in part, his diagnosis was subjective, however after following the corrections he asked me to make with my life they mysteriously went away. I still enjoy Voyaging on shrooms and mimosa/rue cocktails, I still drink beer, Ice House of course, I don't fuck with anything that was synthesized or extracted by some self proclaimed expert in basement pharmacology. Seizures is, IMHO, what all of you are experiencing. Mini seizures, misrouted electrical impulses.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: dedjam]
#6452066 - 01/12/07 12:31 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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gopenguins, I would argue that. I feel it can very much be a part of tripping.
I know a LOT of people who have this happen, and I myself have had it happen. My experience wasn't exactly as described, because I didn't have any fear of it, I just went with it.
It would come on in a wave - starting slow and tingling and then eventually just taking my entire body. It was intense white light and my entire body would tense up. I didn't find it all together uncomfortable, but if I was doing something it could be rather difficult.
The reason I would say that the "pain" is psychological, as others, is because people can interpret how it feels in different ways. I find it enjoyable most the time, while others find it painful. Those people are generally afraid of it, because they've never experienced anything like it, and have no idea what is going on.
True enough none of us are doctors, but all the same there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with this. I have had no ill effects from it, and neither has anyone else I've heard of. I'm speaking just from experience, but that is a pretty good source of knowledge if you ask me.
PS I like the theory about chakras alligning. It could also explain why some people find the experience enjoyable, and others not so much.
My friend claims that it was receptors in his head touching together when he would "figure something out", and now he doesn't get them anymore because he's figured it all out. Which to me, with good reason, sounds like bullshit.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: Kickle]
#6452287 - 01/12/07 01:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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This isn't good news. lol So you guys believe it's a seizure? I figured it was just ego death. But it seems to make sense as when it first started to happen to me I instantly thought it was a seizure.
If it is, that would explain why when I remembered having it the very first time because I had a seizure when I was very little. I don't even remember it to be honest. When it happens I definitly get that "I've figured something" sensation.
Also, the visuals I get really look like they are visuals of my brain being overloaded (sensory overload). It's fuckin crazy.
Anyways, that was a terrible experience for me and I get the emotional effects aswell as that body buzz you guys are talking about when I smoke weed.
I'm glad I read this because I felt very strongly that it was a seizure and I was contemplating giving shrooms another go, but I don't know about that anymore.
One more thing to add, just like the first post, this experience keeps repeating it self (for me anyways) until you just lay back and let it take over. Everytime I come out of that state a second later it hits me again. >_<
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: zootroid]
#6452330 - 01/12/07 02:07 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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ok, look im no doctor... but im a psych student beginning grad school and that is not a seizure. i get this to and its funny cause i was really startingh to wonder if anyone else did but this proves lots of us get it. its the feelings that mean egodeath are like right there waiting to hit u. that white light is the white light seen at ego death, instead ofbeing afraid of it you can learn to let the white light hit you for sustained periods of time. i know the exact feelin you guys are talking about, i start feelings it really intensely in my neck like the sides of it and back and than it travels to the base of the brain and beyond. i get it everytime im about to get ego loss. its scary but you have to learn to not fight it and let it happen instead of fighting it over and over, once you can let go its the best. i still have a hard time not fighting it though and ive had lots of experience with this, its hard.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: LedHead]
#6452417 - 01/12/07 02:33 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I have never seen it as a "pain" Just a neutral feeling I could never explain.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: LedHead]
#6452431 - 01/12/07 02:38 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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From the diagnosis of the doctor about seizures, and the circumstances, I would say what most people here are experiencing, and what I myself am experiencing, are two different things. I have never done any meth or E, or anything even remotely close.
My sleep patterns are fine, and there would be no reason for shrooms to give me a seizure. It isn't a seizure, I would bet my life on it. I am fully aware of what is happening, and I do not struggle against it at all. If I wanted, I could probably prevent them from happening entirely. I'll give it a try next time for shits and giggles.
Honestly though, I devote the majority of my sober and drug induced time learning what parts of my brain I can control. I've been working on it since I was very little. I just don't get scared at all when things happen in there, because if I try hard enough I could control it.
I think a lot of fear stems from the fact that you can't control it, and know it. Or at the very least that you don't understand it.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: Kickle]
#6452854 - 01/12/07 04:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
DuNeRaVeR said:
I have found that also it happens once in awile right before I fall completely asleep completely sober.
I woke up in the middle of the night last night (this morning... the night after my trip) and while trying to get back to sleep, I did experience a much lesser similar feeling a couple of times.
I did also wonder if it could be something to do with Ego Loss/Death... I hadn't read too much on what that is supposed to 'feel' like (as you approach it) and was to scared to let these rushes take me in case it was something totally different.
It's somewhat reassuring to hear so many people experience this.
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peruvian spark said:
Sounds like you need to space your trips out more. I get them if I don't wait at least a month between trips. I used to shroom 2-3 times a month and it would happen almost every time I tripped (this was 7 years ago or so). Now I only trip once or twice a year and it hasn't happened in ages.
I did think that could be the case but it doesn't really explain why I got it the first time in the fridge? That was my first trip in four months.. but doing it again the next week did increase the occurrences substantially.
I like the concept of chakras/kundalini shakti but don't want to 'brush off' these rushes if they could be more serious than that.
Also a lot of posts I read, people are saying they feel it coming from their feet or their spine... when I get it, it just seems to come from... hmm I don't know... almost like it is coming from 'above' my head, or even from deep inside my head... it is hard to explain properly but it definitely does not come upward from my spine.
The seizure idea is a bit unsettling. I've never really done any other drugs besides pot, which was only for a year and has been about a year since I touched it. Other than that a bit of drinking of some mushrooms are the only things I touch. I am not on any medication either.. so I can only assume it is being caused by the shrooms alone.
Thanks everyone for the input... look forward to some more opinions!
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: Bread]
#6453155 - 01/12/07 05:39 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Bread said:
I did also wonder if it could be something to do with Ego Loss/Death... I hadn't read too much on what that is supposed to 'feel' like (as you approach it) and was to scared to let these rushes take me in case it was something totally different.
What you described does not sound like ego loss at all. For one thing I've never heard of ego loss or ego death happening during a mild trip. Ego loss is when you lose all sense of self. If you could even bring yourself to ask the question: "Who or what am I?" you wouldn't be able to answer it. In my experiences I temporarily and completely lose the ability to even think. Fortunately I've never experienced ego loss as a sensation of death or dying. It feels more like I'm broken down into component matter and just dissolve in the universe, or merge with it.
I never heard of this effect, but it appears not to be an idiosyncratic reaction since others are confirming their own similar experiences. It is very interesting and now I'm really curious about it.
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Re: 'Head shocks'? [Re: Land_Crab]
#6453218 - 01/12/07 05:58 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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This happens to my friend quite often, I think. Since I am neither my friend or you, I can't say for sure, but it sounds a lot like what he describes. Whenever we shroom and drive (a sober driver, don't worry) we have a grand time, all the cars lights against the night sky. Unfortunately recently when we do this and actually pass cars this seems to happen to him, or as he calls it when he's tripping, he "explodes", it's rather funny, and the notion of him actually exploding always makes us all laugh, including him, and he never seems bothered by it after it actually happens, but we avoid the driving now. After a couple times we (mainly he) has figured out that it is the onslaught of ego death in combination with the extreme visuals (bright lights, movement, and we have been shrooming big time lately) make for almost a sensory overload in combination with psychological overload. Obviously we aren't med students or anything, but it seems pretty plausible to us, so we run with it, and avoid driving.
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