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Quote: cnata001 said: Do you just let them sit out on paper towel to dry? approx how long does it take? I'm about to pick here in 5 minutes...looking for some advice on quick drying methods
-C
Well, I read in a post here that if you fan dry them for a day before putting them in the dehydrator that the stems wouldn't shrink up as thin, but that hasn't really seemed to be the case in my perception; I'm not even sure why I cared. The second flush was not fan dryed at all, just rinsed and put straight into the dehydrator.
To answer your question, if you don't have a dehydrator, they got pretty dry in about two days in front of the fan, a third day in front of the fan and they would probably have been as dry as they would get that way, but those went into the deydrator after two days so I can't say exactly how long fan drying takes before there are no further benefits to keep them out longer.
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Quote: koph said: thats beautiful! i'm using a mono tub myself, i'm about to simmer my WBS for about twenty min before autoclaving it tonight. Can you give me a rundown of how you did that, tomorrow i'll be inoculating WBS with burma strain. can you point me in a good direction? i was thinking of getting some hpoo from TENSTUD. i purchased ten pounds of WBS and i lost about 1/3 of that weight, maybe more getting rid of the junk. so how much horse poo should i use? and did you use a mulitspore inoculation?
thanks
wish me luck, i wanna do what you did!!!!!!!!!
~koph
I think there are better bird seeds you could buy. A 40 lbs bag of Bird Basics at PetSmart is like $8.00 and all you have to do is scoop off the sunflower seeds that float on the top when it is soaking.
The Horse poo came from a riding stables nearby, and was old stuff that was scooped up and put in plastic bags, but I am sure Tenstud would be great.
That monotub was 22 gallons, but if your just growing for yourself and friends then smaller more manageable grows that keep the amount of poo needed to be pastuerized each time seem preferable. Those 18-gallon tubs with the clear tops at Home Depot seem perfect.
There were 6-quart jars of grain spawned to about 4 or 5 times that much poo. The substrate was about 4 1/2" thick.
The grain preperation teks were followed very closely (6T tek, spore to print using rye, WBS tek, and a couple others).
The jars had a layer of tyvek, then the lid (which had two 1/4" holes: one filled with high temp silicone sealant to inoculate through, and the other covered with Micropore tape for gas exchange) then two coffee filters secured with a rubber band, and then foil (to keep the water out while PC'ing). The foil was removed after the jars cooled, but the coffee filters stayed on all through incubation serving as dust-covers. *note: next time a 3/8" hole will be tried for gas exchange.
One 10CC syringe was used to inocculate 12 jars, which was probably pushing it in that department, but there were 12 jars to do and it proved to be enough. The jars were incubated in a Tub-in-Tub setup with an aquarium heater in the water in the bottom tub at about 80 degrees.
When it came time to pastuerize the poo, the pillow case method failed because the poo was like 30 degrees cooler in the center and at the top, while cooking, then at the bottom and then after cooking it wouldnt drain the water because the weave was too tight on the pillowcases. Finally, all the poo was just dumped into a big like 40 quart pot and cooked on simmer with a Candy Thermometer stuck in it while stirring it alot. Then, with latex gloves on, after the poo cooled a bit the water was squeezed out by hand and thrown into the tub on top of a black trash bag that was folded to fit into the bottom coming up to just below the holes. Not perfect by any means, but the job got done and for that matter, I can say that I know the entire amount of poo was all pastuerized at exactly the same temp the whole time (175 degrees was it? not certain now), so that solved one potential source of contams.
Then the spawn was mixed in to the poo and the holes in the tub were taped over and it was incubated under a blanket at about 70-75 degrees (the Myc will produce 10 degrees of heat on its own bringing the temp up to proper incubation temps of around 84 degrees). It took about 5 days but I left it for 7 days.
Jiffy Mix with Vermiculite (not Perlite) was sterilized in quart jars in the PC for 30 minutes at 15 PSI and was used as a casing layer after the Hpoo was colonized. The casing layer was about 1/2" thick. Then when the casing layer was showing the first hints of Myc poking through (about 4 more days), the tape was pulled off the holes, Pollyfill was placed into the holes, the temp was dropped a bit (really, the temp stayed at 70-75 degrees, but the blanket was removed and the tub was put on blocks so the bottom wasn't insulated by the carpet and the heat the Myc produced could vent into the atmosphere), a fan was placed in the room on rotate and a couple times a day for a couple hours was turned so that the draft caught the side of the tub each time it made a pass to the side, and 12-hours a day of light was introduced.
After a week or 10-days pins appeared and another week later full fruit bodies.
Ohmatics Double Tub Tek was the roadmap. Monstermitch posted a nice tek about monotubs. There were several other teks that helped. I can give more specifics if I know what info you are looking for.
Feel free to ask any more specific questions you have or PM me for an outline I am writing for a friend with links to the various posts and pictures that helped me the most. To try to go into the exact specifics of each step would take alot of writing here and I am not really sure what questions you have.
I have to concur. Different strains definitely give different trips. My favorite was amazonian. Extremely strong visuals mainly consisting of Aztec patterns. They were probably the most comfortable experience as well. Gold caps however were just an overwhelming experience. I had a tendency to go off in my own head with those bad boys!!
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1. the pics in the tub are the first flush? the pic with the magic tape is the second?
2. if this is the case, do you have a pic of the second flush in the tub before harvest? id like to see how sparce the secondary flush was.
3. soooo, i see how big the second flush was with the magic tape as a size refrence... whats the size diffrence between the first and second flush size? would you say first was half or 3/4 the size of the first, or what?
4. have you noticed a potency degradation in previous to latter flushes?
5. how is the stem, hollow or not?
And id love a copy of your write up when your done, if you dont mind! ty
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Ya, the pics in the tub are the first flush. The pics on the plate were not the whole 2nd flush, just the first four to pop up. The photo with the magic tape was just to show the size of the shrooms in the second flush (which were mostly not quite that big); the full second flush was much more substantial than that. I am sure the size of the shrooms in the second flush was due to the dunking. Unfortunately I didn't take any photos of the second flush. Size wise, it probably produced about 2/3rds the amount of the first flush, but after harvesting and when redunking there were lots of little pins coming up that had to be plucked in the areas with no growth, so if left alone it would have continued to flush.
I can't answer your question about potency, but I doubt that there was any degredation as the substrate was very healthy.
Stems on the second flush were very dense, much more so than the first flush was. Probably a little more moisture could have been left in the poo on the first flush, but for a noob It seemed better to err on the side of caution and the moisture was squeezed out fairly firmly. Next time slightly more moisture will be left in the poo based on experience gained from this experience.
-------------------- "An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
~ Thomas Paine (1737-1809)
American pamphleteer and Founding Father, 1775
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