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 curenado
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 Salvia + Effexor?
#6380018 - 12/17/06 05:18 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Has anyone been on effexor and used salvia? I don't have salvia experience and I have someone (despite my advice) who is on effexor and they will be receiving 12x salvia for experimentation.
Salvia is K-opioid receptor - In my mind he should be fine, but I searched and can't seem to find anything on salvia and effexor?
Thanks!  At least there will be a searchable thread now!
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 redgreenvines
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 Re: Salvia + Effexor? [Re: curenado]
#6380357 - 12/17/06 06:28 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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not at all a good idea
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zootroid
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I know nothing about it either, but I would think it's not a good idea either.
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Re: Salvia + Effexor? [Re: zootroid]
#6381428 - 12/17/06 09:44 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I've smoked salvia on duloxetine with no problems. It's an SNRI like effexor, but actually has higher affinity for the NE transporter and SERT. I don't see why effexor would be a problem combined with a kappa-opioid agonist of all things.
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Re: Salvia + Effexor? [Re: omnicrap]
#6382054 - 12/18/06 02:14 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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For what it's worth I've been on duloxetine and imipramine for ages now, and have had some truly spectacular trips on Acid and Shrooms. Ecstasy has absolutely no efficacy and I haven't tried Salvia.
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redgreenvines
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Re: Salvia + Effexor? [Re: percy_west]
#6382243 - 12/18/06 05:03 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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IMO
it could have been a huge & difficult step towards self improvement that lead your friend to get some effexor.
In this life affecting decision there would have been a sense of being overwhelmed by life and a commitment that something should be done about it; or parents have been involved which is worse as it is manipulative.
both contexts are terrible burdens of mind set, and mindset is most important with salvia - posturing and pretending are no good.
salvia dosage is nearly impossible to control - levels 5 and 6 can be horrifying and at least 50% of people never try it again.
so in review, I believe that the reason to seek help (via effexor) will be aggravated by taking salvia. it is not a good general purpose entertainment and should be postponed until after the effexor treatment.
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curenado
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I'm hoping it will help him to get off the effexor TX. Effexor is total crap. It really only steals the little serotonin ya have and concentrates in one area of the body. That is why it is false and wrong compared to treatments that help to retrain and restore the body/brain properly. I don't like the mechanism of action and I don't like that it is merely a short term band aid that actually makes one's situation worse in the long run.
As far as the subjective/imagined/emotional part with this patient? I'll get him a bra! At least he can get a laugh out of that!
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Re: Salvia + Effexor? [Re: curenado]
#6387490 - 12/19/06 05:52 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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My brother was stressed when he took his life
he was also on effexor
I can't blame effexor but some people do
this is not an area to play games
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curenado
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I'm sorry RGV, I didn't know that.
I deal with a number of patients and I guess I could have better said that I don't see him at risk right now. I have been watching and from the outside, when you watch a persons progress - I believe effexor is VERY bad medicine and psychiatry. I hope one day this will be shown so that you CAN begin to let effexor at least share the blame, if not bear it. I didn't know your brother but I know effexor.....I'm vocal against it and fight it all the time. It may start out alright (seemingly) but only leads to long term "starvation" and progressive deterioration of good chemical balance and exchange.
Again, I apologise for my insensitivity. I believe this patient will be alright, and his personality structure is very independent.
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Re: Salvia + Effexor? [Re: curenado]
#6392274 - 12/20/06 09:45 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
curenado said:
I'm sorry RGV, I didn't know that.
I deal with a number of patients and I guess I could have better said that I don't see him at risk right now. I have been watching and from the outside, when you watch a persons progress - I believe effexor is VERY bad medicine and psychiatry. I hope one day this will be shown so that you CAN begin to let effexor at least share the blame, if not bear it. I didn't know your brother but I know effexor.....I'm vocal against it and fight it all the time. It may start out alright (seemingly) but only leads to long term "starvation" and progressive deterioration of good chemical balance and exchange.
Again, I apologise for my insensitivity. I believe this patient will be alright, and his personality structure is very independent.
How exactly does effexor affect you? I'm just wondering because my brother was prescribed it.
I use to be very depressed, but that changed after I started eating right. My brother is how I use to be so I told him just to start eating right but he doesn't believe me. So he's taking that crap.
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Re: Salvia + Effexor? [Re: curenado]
#6392750 - 12/21/06 12:28 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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There is no reason why Salvia would physically interact with Effexor.
Personally I have been on Effexor for several years and have not noticed any interactions with Salvia.
The issue of greater importance than Effexor is of the exclusive use of the "disease model" of mental disorders, particularly in the context of American society. The disease model can only be regarded as an effective basis for treating the symptoms of a disorder, not the causes. These medications should not be marketed to the public.
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Re: Salvia + Effexor? [Re: Land_Crab]
#6393153 - 12/21/06 08:06 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Effexor is actually a phenethylamine... just like many RC's, MDMA and Mescaline... And a shitty one at that... 
As for mixing it with salvia, i would be more worried about releasing a latent condition that the effexor is trying to cover. In addition, the psychotic + manic + schizophrenic symptoms of effexor, combined with it's common side-effect of seizure, as well as it's reported potential to induce temporary states of psychosis, i would say that although it may work for some people, mixing salvia with this drug (even apposed to other anti-depressants) really is taking a gamble that, for something like salvia, is not really worth it. 
I used to work at a doctors office (not psychiatry) and the doctor would prescribe anti-depressants if people had abnormal depression related to their disease (usually chronic disease or cancer). Effexor ALWAYS created the worst side effects. People would become suicidal, aggressive, manic, borderline psychotic, borderline schizophrenic. I know a family member who took it, and he had extreme personality changes for the worse, and he became very twitchy + bouncy (legs shaking and movin around a lot, eyes one at a time kinda closin and twitchin, all like a bored little kid). 
Stay safe, and be careful. Your friend may need some help during his trips. 
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curenado
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Re: Salvia + Effexor? [Re: SDP]
#6393557 - 12/21/06 10:32 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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<<How exactly does effexor affect you? I'm just wondering because my brother was prescribed it.>>
I would not take that shit or give it to anyone because it is pure chemical "witchcraft" (no offence to wiccans..) and the true meaning of the bible word for "poisoner" which was later changed to "witch".
It is "upside down and backwards" medicine in theory and as is continually being discovered, in practice also.
Well, the sample came today so thank god we are out in the woods and he has plenty of room in case it is a "light fuse and get away" deal!
I will be on point, and I can tell ya, even if he is level 6 bizzare for 2-3 minutes I've contended with level 7 psychotic on purpose for a lot longer than a sally rush. We will be careful and I'm sure he will too.
Thanks all for good input! 
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 Re: anti-depressants [Re: SDP]
#6394234 - 12/21/06 02:27 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
SDP said:
I used to work at a doctors office (not psychiatry) and the doctor would prescribe anti-depressants if people had abnormal depression related to their disease (usually chronic disease or cancer).
RED FLAG
You can't prescribe mind-altering (antidepressant) drugs if there is no therapeutic oversight. I mean you can, but you shouldn't be able to. That's part of what's so fucked up.
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curenado
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Re: salvia + effexor [Re: Land_Crab]
#6394633 - 12/21/06 04:33 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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<<RED FLAG
You can't prescribe mind-altering (antidepressant) drugs if there is no therapeutic oversight. I mean you can, but you shouldn't be able to. That's part of what's so fucked up.>>
Agreed. With effexor and some others at least there is a limit which can't be exceeded except by a psychiatrist.
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"The woods are lovely, dark and deep; but I have patches to keep, and jars to sterilize before I sleep...."
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curenado
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Re: salvia + effexor [Re: curenado]
#6398950 - 12/23/06 09:51 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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OK! SO....effexor in no way impedes salvia! What we ended up with was a gram of 15x sticky purple, 3 virgins between 42-52 years old and GAWD WHAT A THING!
I'll post it here when I have time to type it out because my role was "guy on the floor who can't quit laughing" and the experience is worth the humor more than the academic! (no kidding - I wish we'd video'd it for funniest home hillbillies!)
But we have a pound of plain leaf on the way so we can see more the nature of the thing without jumping the high board first.
Thanks for the input shroomies! It's easier to have patients when I can keep up with what they're up to!
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Yours in the Natural State!
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep; but I have patches to keep, and jars to sterilize before I sleep...."
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1581935/page/2/fpart/1/vc/1 - The Psilocybe Medicine Thread
http://www.youtube.com/user/crystalwoman57 - Evidence of Life! (Barry Eubanks)
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 Re: Salvia + Effexor? [Re: curenado]
#9033931 - 10/05/08 06:40 PM (1 month, 29 days ago) |
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i came looking for information but i just had to post...
effexor saved my life.
i had suffered from depression for years. it has hit half the women on my mom's side of the family. nothing had worked (diet, exercise, therapy without meds, therapy with other meds) and i had been trying for years. effexor is what has made me a normal person again. no more suicidal tendencies, no more wasted days not getting out of bed, and genuine joy.
so i guess that if there is a chance that someone considering the drug for treatment reads this then i want for the other side to be presented as well.
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