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Help With Substrate Recipe!
    #6325018 - 12/01/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

So, I'm in pretty good shape with my hobby set up; damn near self-sufficient.  I've done some research looking over substrate additives and mixes various people have used successfully, and put it together in what I think would be an ideal mix for me.  Never having used this mix before, I've got some questions I'm hoping someone can answer. 

I'm using WBS as spawn for this substrate mix and colonizing it in filterpatch bags where I will be growing invitro out of sheer laziness.  I will be soaking my WBS in 60/40 mix of water and used coffee grounds to (hopefully) speed up colonization.

My Substrate Recipe:
-Equal parts Hpoo and coir
-Worm Castings (at 5% content)
-Pre-composted chicken manure (5% content)
-Gypsum (5% content)

Here's where I have some questions:

1. To buffer the recipe and create an ideal pH, I want to toss in a bit of hydrated lime.  Can I use calcium carbonate INSTEAD of hydrated lime or should I use CC in addition to the lime?  I'd be using half a teaspoon lime per cup of poo/coir and/or 5% calcium carbonate content depending on if I should use one or the other or both.

2. I've heard mixing in a bit of vegetable oil into substrate can be beneficial, but I'm not sure in what way.  How would it benefit the substrate mix, if at all?  And if it couldn't hurt to mix it in, how much should I use?  (Not much comes up about using oil with substrate when I do a search).

So, what do you guys think?  Also, if anyone can answer my questions I would be grateful.  :smile:

[Thanks to the excellent growers out there whose ideas and recipes I am parroting.]

Much love to the community, :grin:

DD


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Re: Help With Substrate Recipe! [Re: TurdFerguson]
    #6325040 - 12/01/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Why not just spawn to straight coir?...its way easy.


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Re: Help With Substrate Recipe! [Re: TurdFerguson]
    #6325044 - 12/01/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

No need to adjust the Ph of your substrate.

An ounce or 2 of V/oil added to a substrate provides additional nutrients & helps myc to span gaps/voids while colonizing a substrate.


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Re: Help With Substrate Recipe! [Re: agar]
    #6325110 - 12/01/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

im using 100 coir works good
and 50/50 verm and coir both are pinning like whoa

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Re: Help With Substrate Recipe! [Re: TwoGuys]
    #6325259 - 12/01/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I hydrate my coir in pc by adding 4 liters water...bring to boil (without lid) add block of coir...remove from heat..replace lid with relief valve open.

Come back 4 hours later...to the now pasteurized and cooled coir and mix 2 one quart jars of spawn to the 1 brick's worth of coir.
I add nothing to the mix...straight spawn to coir!

I do add MG MC casing layer tho...at 1/2" depth.

Potency is killer...hands down!
I really couldn't imagine getting any higher...
Yields are incredible...



I and a few buddies tripped on the above tray last night...Very Fun Stuff!

The Oatman had a tek up but seems down ATM.
Dug  this
for you tho... :laugh:

GL.
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Re: Help With Substrate Recipe! [Re: Helltick]
    #6326081 - 12/02/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Good stuff! I hope you aren't wasting your peak moments with Budweiser though!

Haha.

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Re: Help With Substrate Recipe! [Re: Helltick]
    #6326160 - 12/02/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

So you get an equal nutritional load with just straight coir?  interesting, maybe I'll just pasteurize a bunch of that.  Do you know of a cheap source, or should I just pack up and go to wally-world?

Good stuff, man, and thanks to agar too :grin: :stoned:

I wont bother getting that lime and pH strips.  Good thing too, because I'm lazy as hell if I'm growing invitro and bypassing casing.

I tried that way and it was pretty, but now I just want to set it, forget it, harvest and trip.

Much love to you all,

DD :grin:


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Re: Help With Substrate Recipe! [Re: TurdFerguson]
    #6326386 - 12/02/06 03:15 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i like to add a little bit of evertything and i like the results

horse manure 40%
coir 15%
worm castings 10 %
kelp 3-5% <- same stuff that i seen from one of agars post
and verm. 30%

when hydrating i use r/o water and a lil fresh brewed coffee.

the reason i started this mix is because i was reading one of monstermitch's post and he said " you would get sick of just eating poo all the time too" lol

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Re: Help With Substrate Recipe! [Re: royer]
    #6326484 - 12/02/06 04:51 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

" you would get sick of just eating poo all the time too"

good luck




Lolz :thumbup:

Thanks, man.  I'm planning on posting my whole setup in the grow logs as soon as I can take a stem biopsy to start a batch of LC.  I might get antsy and do a G2G if I want to start sooner.  Thanks for your input and everyone else's.


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Re: Help With Substrate Recipe! [Re: TurdFerguson]
    #6326647 - 12/02/06 08:10 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Now I do like this thread, which clarifies that coir has sufficient nutritive value to function as a substrate AND as a casing. The diff between the two seems to cause a lot of confusion among the noobs, leading them to use substandard or insufficient substrates.

Your recipe looks good to me, though I’ve chosen to go vegan (no shit on my shrooms). I’ve experimented with several substrate mixes, and must say that little bits of cut up straw (which can be soaked in a strong hydrogen peroxide solution prior to pasteurization) make great physical support within any substrate mix. The myc loves crawling through those little straw tunnels. A 25 percent portion of cooked Bob’s 7-grain cereal did no better than my control – standard 1:2 BRF/verm – but my current project looks interesting. It’s 40:60 cooked quinoa:verm. Spawn run was fast and strong, and they’re pinning now. Time will tell.

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Re: Help With Substrate Recipe! [Re: TurdFerguson]
    #6327131 - 12/02/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

My local walmart doesn't stock coir...but my local petsmart does.
It's called 'bed A beast' its a reptile bedding.
one brick does 2 tubs pictured above...don't know about bags.
By the time tax is added its around $4.50 per brick.

You can probably find it cheaper online...but dunno.

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