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#6220005 - 10/28/06 12:57 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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they are really getting out of hand with all these goddamn remakes lately, hellraiser, halloween, hills have eyes, texas chainsaw massacre, evil dead, last house on the left, the omen...what is going on here? can't they think of anything original? they're also doing a nightmare on elm street prequel and another friday the 13th sequel.
hellraiser is my favorite horror series though, and i dont think anything could top the original hellraiser. it's not dated, the special effects are great without any cgi, great characters, it really doesnt need to be remade. apparently they told clive barker they were remaking it, and he stepped up to write it, saying that if he didn't do it, then somebody else would. i guess it's good that clive barker is involved with it again, and i'll definitely go see it, but it's really unnecessary.
if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
rob zombie is remaking halloween, which will be interesting to say the least. i dont really have a problem with that one, as i'm not a big fan of the halloween series, and it will definitely be different in the hands of rob zombie. it'll probably have great atmosphere like house of 1000 corpses did.
i'm just tired of remakes in general though. and what i really hate is people who go see the remakes not knowing that it's a remake of another (usually better) movie.
what do you guys think about all this?
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: nightkrawler]
#6220007 - 10/28/06 12:58 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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hellraiser remake wha?
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#6220016 - 10/28/06 01:02 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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yea, can you believe it?
http://imdb.com/title/tt0887261/
apparently he talks about it on his website too, but i can't ever find anything on his confusing website anyway
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: nightkrawler]
#6220027 - 10/28/06 01:10 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hope Rob Zombie does not get hold of any horror classics. He is a terrible director and should be shot on site.
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: zorbman]
#6220043 - 10/28/06 01:19 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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he already has, it's coming out for next halloween.
i don't know how any horror fan can not like rob zombie. he's like tarantino of horror movies, he's seen em all and loves the classics. it's pretty obvious in house of 1000 corpses and in devils rejects. he really brings back what horror movies used to be, with a slight modern spin to it. if anybody were to direct a halloween remake, i'd give it to him.
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: nightkrawler]
#6220050 - 10/28/06 01:23 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have seen House of 1000 and found no redeeming value in it whatsoever. Horrible movie that crushes the soul. I have not seen Devils Rejects so maybe it is better- I sure hope so.
I am a big horror fan and Rob Zombie will have to prove himself to me. I have seen most of the classics and from what I have seen Rob Zombie is no classic director by any stretch. Sorry.
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: nightkrawler]
#6220147 - 10/28/06 02:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't mind seeing a new perspective on classics, and sometimes I reckon they're better off rehashing than creating something new. As much as I love Day of the dead, i'd prefer they remade it than have created Land of the dead to add to the series which IMO needed nothing more added.
Hellraiser would be cool, but what worries me is the current state of horror movies these days will mean less gore and more trivial crap to please the pop generation. House of 1000 corpses would have been so much better if they didn't hold back.
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: Shattered]
#6220156 - 10/28/06 03:00 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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i see what you mean by that. thinking zombies are lame, but after day of the dead, i guess that was really the only next step, a step that it didnt really need to take atleast.
after a good amount of time with horror movies with less gore, and more stupid comedy thrown in where it doesnt belong, things appear to be changing. i think house of 1000 corpses started it. look at movies like high tension, hills have eyes remake, slither (by the sounds of it, havent seen it yet though), the masters of horror series. i think they're finally starting to get away from that whole pg-13 horror movies with comedy shit that's just lame.
i don't think they did hold back on house of 1000 corpses, it was pretty brutal, and devils rejects even more so. i'm sure any more and they would've had an NC-17 rating, and they most certainly (and understandably) didnt want that.
i think the new hellraiser is for sure gonna be gory, i'm just hoping there's not going to be any cheesy one liners that the cenobites use, like in hellraiser 3. i'm also hoping it's not all CGId out. i'd still rather have a hellraiser 9 though, to theaters instead of direct to video like the last 4. atleast do more with the story line instead of just redoing what's been done, and done right. or even a prequel like they're doing with nightmare on elm street.
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: nightkrawler]
#6220177 - 10/28/06 03:18 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't get me wrong I loved House and devils rejects too, but what bothered me is the cut aways just when something interesting happens. Like in house when she scalps that guy, we see her going into it but then a cut away to another scene.
Dagon was cool, if anything just because they didn't cut away during the skinning. I hated it at first because it made me uncomfortable, but I didn't realise I loved the intensity of being uneasy. Horror movies were so much better when I was a kid and everything was bordering on too much to handle.
Devil's rejects was good though. The scene where that lady runs around and gets hit by a truck was priceless.
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: nightkrawler]
#6220263 - 10/28/06 04:35 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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House of 1.000 corpses was a horribly bad movie. It was so breathtakingly ripped off from texas chainsaw massacre that it wasn't even funny. People just don't know what horror is anymore. Think HP Lovecraft, not Friday the 13th.
They're going to remake Hellraiser?
Well at least we have the originals which were DAMN GOOD.
I just know what's going to happen. 
There will be a lot of computer-generated crap instead of quality handmade gore. The sick fetish sadomasochist side, which is the most disturbing part of the original movie will be downplayed in favor of generic slaughter like in your average splatter movie. And yes, there will be pop culture archetypes and soundbytes
I'll look forward to Hellraiser 2.0 but I'll watch it without expectations an see if it can match the original.
What can you improve on Hellraiser I and II ?
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#6220273 - 10/28/06 04:39 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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If anyone of you has an URL where I can stash little under 250 MB then I can show you a REAL horror movie, the 80s Japanese horror
"Flowers of Flesh and Blood"
aka. the sickest movie ever made which led to people reporting it to the police because they thought it was real snuff, and it was banned in several countries too 
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: nightkrawler]
#6220285 - 10/28/06 05:01 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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i agree that hollywood is going a little overboard with all the horror remakes, but it doesn't bother me at all really. i'm just happy a lot of horror movies are being made these days because not to long ago old fashioned style horror was out of style and basically non-existent, which sucked. i say keep em coming! besides some of those remakes are pretty good imo. not all, but some. i'll be looking forward to hellraiser and evil dead as i'm always open to different interpretations of original stories.
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#6220314 - 10/28/06 05:26 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
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If anyone of you has an URL where I can stash little under 250 MB then I can show you a REAL horror movie, the 80s Japanese horror
"Flowers of Flesh and Blood"
aka. the sickest movie ever made which led to people reporting it to the police because they thought it was real snuff, and it was banned in several countries too
www.uploading.com allows you to upload 300mb
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: zorbman]
#6220392 - 10/28/06 06:42 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have seen House of 1000 and found no redeeming value in it whatsoever. Horrible movie that crushes the soul. I have not seen Devils Rejects so maybe it is better- I sure hope so.
I am a big horror fan and Rob Zombie will have to prove himself to me. I have seen most of the classics and from what I have seen Rob Zombie is no classic director by any stretch. Sorry.
This is why hollywood is making shitty movies to entertain people of your caliber. Rob Zombie didn't jump any hurdles with house of 1,000 corpses like he did with Devil's Rejects, but he did establish 4 Characters that woud go on to be the focal point of a future film (The Devil's Rejects).
On the Devil's Rejects DVD, Rob talks about the setting of both movies. An era when we were on the brink of technology, but were somewhat still primitive. The capability of being "lost" in the middle of nowhere today is much more far fetched than it was in the 70's. There were no cell phones, no internet and it took days for news to grab the attention of viewers. That was the horror, the feelings of helplessness....TRUE helplessness.
Don't be so hard on Rob, he's trying to give back to horror what hollywood has slowly taken away. Course if you still don't like Rob's directing and think that he should be shot on site...then there's always other horror films for you to watch, like American Haunting...or I know what you did last summer...you should enjoy the gayness in that if you can't respect creative directing.
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#6220438 - 10/28/06 07:22 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
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If anyone of you has an URL where I can stash little under 250 MB then I can show you a REAL horror movie, the 80s Japanese horror
"Flowers of Flesh and Blood"
Somebody give him some space to upload that, I want to see!
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: Kenny7822]
#6220439 - 10/28/06 07:23 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't see Kenny7822's post...lay it on us Wiccan Seeker!
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: Phive_Sicks]
#6220454 - 10/28/06 07:38 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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www.uploading.com allows you to upload 300mb
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Don't be so hard on Rob, he's trying to give back to horror what hollywood has slowly taken away. (...) if you can't respect creative directing.
But 100 corpses was shite! It was horribly copied from Texas Chainsaw, there was no suspense to speak of and the general storyline and effects were boring!
And most slasher and zombie movies suck too. It's all the same "lets hide out in the mall  " and "there's a killer on the loose - lets split up " Most zombie movies are NRA feelgood movies, its not even horror anymore just recreation 
RINGU, now that was an innovative work, and its hollywoodisation The Ring was fine too. That movie had suspense, an intangible atmosphere that keeps you alert throughout the movie. The best horror isn't what you see - it's what you don't see, activation of your own fears.
Hellraiser was a breath of fresh air - it too wasn't a hollywood production. (Pinewood Studios) It has a unique mixture of horror and sadomasochism which makes it extra disturbing beyond its general storyline and SFX. Because America is full of Christians the sick fetish aspect will probably be downplayed or hurled over the top.
1000 corpses wasnt innovative in any way, it was a cut and paste of things that worked in succesful horror movies and my biggest fight with it was to keep my disbelief suspended. I failed miserably, I couldn't take it serious, it all was so copied and over the top.
A few years ago I've had a panic disorder resulting from my heart attack. Most horror movies do not have what it takes to be really scary and I doubt the directors actually know what being fried to your chair with fear really is.
Ringu and The Ring were the last movies that really gave me the creeps, most horror is a horror to watch.
With 1000 Corpses or The Hills Have Eyes you sit there expecting at any moment to hear a chorus sing "Let's do the timewarp again!" after which people throw rolls of pink toiletpaper through the cinema.
Let's fucking NOT ok? Let's watch some horror that makes you contemplate taking a benzo or some pepto bismol 
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#6221208 - 10/28/06 02:03 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fair enough, Rob Zombie aside.
I still to this day think that The Blair Witch Project was the scariest shit i've ever seen. I don't know if it was the movie as much as the setting of where I watched it (alone, at night, in a house in the woods...darkness...) The camera is what made it. It was more real, because we are used to seeing real life through a normal video camera, such as home movies made back in the 80's and 90's with those bulky cam corders. And as Wiccan Seeker pointed out, it's not what you see that makes you tense...it's what you don't. You never saw the witch, you only heard. And they were normal sounds. Clicking rocks and rustling leaves. That movie was genius, and it got a lot of negative feedback from movie buffs that wanted to see gay zombies like dawn of the dead. The sequal didn't help it's case....that movie was worthless. But the original blair witch project IMO was a classic the minute it was conceived.
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: Phive_Sicks]
#6221527 - 10/28/06 04:22 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Check out www.upcominghorrormovies.com.
A lot of them are probably straight to video, but they're remaking a ton of other movies too.
Day of the dead is one...which confused me because I thought that aleady came out like a year ago.
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Re: horror movie remakes (hellraiser, halloween...) [Re: flower_child]
#6221884 - 10/28/06 06:44 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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i totally agree with you about blair witch project, definitely one of the most intense horror movies i've seen. that's one of the few horror movies i try to watch as rarely as possible so it doesnt lose it's effect.
wiccan, you're complaints about house of 1000 corpses are about the premise of the movie. it was meant to be an homage to texas chainsaw massacre and old horror. i think all those clips little clips in it, like the creature feature show were great, it did so much for the atmosphere. makes you feel like it's a drive-in movie.
is that movie you're uploading in the guinea pig series? i havent seen em, and dont really want to, but i hear their the sickest movies out there. charlie sheen was at a party once and somebody put on one of those movies. charlie thought it was a real snuff movie and brought it to the fbi, and they investigated it.
i agree that zombies arent really scary, but i think they're just plain old fun horror movies. the whole concept of zombies is just ridiculous, i love it. i think lucio fulci's zombie movies are the best: zombi, the beyond, city of the living dead.
as far as HP Lovecraft goes, his books were great, and he had a great idea of what horror should be, but they've never really worked on film. dagon was probably the closest movie to one of his books, and it's a great movie, it's just too cheesy at times to make it scary. the reanimator was great, but they werent really trying to make that into a scary horror movie. i know they're making a cthulhu movie right now, and a silent black and white call of cthulhu came out a couple of years ago. i hear that one's pretty good, has a great atmosphere, but the only place i've seen where you can get it is online.
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