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 agoutihead
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 debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? 
#6119312 - 09/30/06 08:27 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok bbb has what seems to be the best prices... plus they sell viridis really cheap so it can be an all in one stop n' shop.
what is the biggest difference in the non-standardized vs. standardized... i realize that its not a definte measurement.... but does that mean it is less effective?
i.e. takes more to break through therefore burning up more product quicker than if you went with the standardized?
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: agoutihead]
#6119373 - 09/30/06 08:50 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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"i.e. takes more to break through therefore burning up more product quicker than if you went with the standardized"?
Salvinorum A is going to kick your ass if you light it on fire and smoke it.
Im surprized so many people think that salvia needs to be burned at any specific temperature. A normal lighter works just fine.
What ever standardized means, it has nothing to do with "waisting more or less salvinorum A".
All I know is that all extracts work nicely.
Why they have even made these two classifications is beyond me.
Salvia is so potent that I never cared to learn what the difference is.
A salvia extract is usually an extract set onto leaf, and I have no idea why they give them these names.
For All I know standardized means "in comparison to the average potency". Some leaf is stronger than others, so that might make some sense.
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Edited by yageman (09/30/06 08:57 PM)
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agoutihead
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: yageman]
#6119508 - 09/30/06 09:23 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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so essentially the nonstandardized to standardized does not affect potency?
does anyone know why that have these two classifications?
i thought standardized was more "pure" and able to tell the potency?
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: agoutihead]
#6119623 - 09/30/06 10:04 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok i read over some old posts, and basically with non standardized your not getting a true gram of pure salvinorium A because other waxes and extras are also in the extract therefore giving it more weight.
so the standardized actually should be more potent since it technically has more salnivorium A per square inch right?
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: agoutihead]
#6119726 - 09/30/06 10:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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If its put onto leaf its not "one gram of" pure Salv A. Extracts all vary in potency.
That would make some sense though.
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (09/30/06 10:45 PM)
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: yageman]
#6119857 - 09/30/06 11:55 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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sure sure i see what your saying as you see what im saying.
so ideally standardized is better because there is more salnivorium A per square inch basically.
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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."
"Experience the liquid realm..."
"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: agoutihead]
#6119862 - 09/30/06 11:57 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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for the record, can you do an extraction of just leaves the way you do an extraction of HBWR seeds with a polar and non polar solvent?
are all alkaloids of different plants and chemicals able to be extracted with a polar and non polar solvent wash?
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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."
"Experience the liquid realm..."
"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: agoutihead]
#6120584 - 10/01/06 06:10 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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very different
this link shows that what is advertised is not always what is there
http://sagewisdom.org/wolowichetal.pdf
this link shows how to extract etc. which is easier than extraction of alkaloids, salvinorin is not an alkaloid.
http://imageevent.com/sphere/salviadivinorumextractiontech;jsessionid=7yxgnq4ec1.tiger_s
I reccommend the chilled acetone extraction.
and then making salvinorin infused cigarette papers for easy storage and easy portability, handling, dose measurement and use.
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: redgreenvines]
#6120946 - 10/01/06 12:12 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont have time to check out the links.. but as always i appreciate them and will defintially check them out in a little bit.
just for the record, in laymans terms... what is considered a "chilled acetone" solution?
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"Experience the liquid realm..."
"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: agoutihead]
#6121303 - 10/01/06 03:33 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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if you have insufficient time to look at those excellent and pictorially specific links, then it is reasonable to say that
no salvinorin preparation information will suit your pace of life.
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: agoutihead]
#6121568 - 10/01/06 05:22 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Standardized means they put a specific amount of the chemical, salvinorin, in each gram that is the extract's strength multiplied by the chemical found in normal leaf.
Nonstandardized means they don't test the amount of chemical in the leaf, they just do an extraction by mass- for example, for 20x, they'd just take 19 grams and evaporate all the chemicals in it onto 1 gram.
Trust me, nonstandardized is fine and will definitely work just as well, plus standardized is a hell of a lot more expensive without giving you much back. I've done both from several suppliers, including BBB and IAmShaman, and nowadays I just go with the 20x from BBB. As a matter of fact, I just received my 20x nonstandardized extract from BBB, and after testing it out, I can tell you that you won't be disappointed.
My recommendation is to get whatever's cheapest, and that's obviously always nonstandardized.
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: Ravus]
#6121597 - 10/01/06 05:37 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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hahaha come on redgreen... i didnt mean it like that! just at that very momoent i didnt have time to look. i did get a chance to look at the links, but my computer doesnt have adobe but that chilled acetone does sound the route that im trying to go.
thanks again man.
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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."
"Experience the liquid realm..."
"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: debating a non-standardized vs. standardized salvia extract?????? [Re: agoutihead]
#6121646 - 10/01/06 05:58 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh yeah i remember that link now... i actually have that one printed up at home.... just forgot about it.
im a little wacky on some mid day lsd so sometimes things are hard. haha
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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert
"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."
"Experience the liquid realm..."
"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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