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 Phishe
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 No fear. 
#6083781 - 09/20/06 09:41 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is there a state that can be achieved in the psychedelic experience that allows you to let go of all fear of threatening things that you may see or feel during?
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doxhevex
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 Re: No fear. [Re: Phishe]
#6083793 - 09/20/06 09:42 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes. you just need to find it. 
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Re: No fear. [Re: doxhevex]
#6083808 - 09/20/06 09:44 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
doxhevex said:
yes. you just need to find it.
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Re: No fear. [Re: doxhevex]
#6083810 - 09/20/06 09:44 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Phishe
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Re: No fear. [Re: doxhevex]
#6083842 - 09/20/06 09:50 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
doxhevex said:
yes. you just need to find it.
Any info on where to begin my search. The forest?
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Re: No fear. [Re: Phishe]
#6083992 - 09/20/06 10:21 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nitrous blast 
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Re: No fear. [Re: Ali3n]
#6084061 - 09/20/06 10:36 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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just let go, it's all about the subconcious
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Re: No fear. [Re: grimR]
#6086166 - 09/21/06 01:35 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is possible and it was done by swim with 5g,
Once you think your beyond all and become god,theres no more need to fear.
Peace,Kija.
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Re: No fear. [Re: kija]
#6086179 - 09/21/06 01:40 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quite easy on paper. Not so easy when it comes to practically applying the philosophy.
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Re: No fear. [Re: avapxia]
#6086236 - 09/21/06 01:59 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I find it can be done on occasion but certainly not every time. I have an irrational fear of snakes and often when tripping I have major CEV involving tons of them. Initially this really scared me but after some time I was able to just go with it and not treat it as anything more than visuals. Like GrimR said just let go and allow yourself to experience everything without your mind's preconceived emotions putting a damper on your trip.
Edited by dalmonk (09/21/06 02:00 PM)
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Re: No fear. [Re: dalmonk]
#6087367 - 09/21/06 06:40 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's weird, I think I have the reverse of that. I sometimes fear the effects when I'm sober, but when the drugs start to kick in... It's smooth, happy sailing from there 
So since I've never had that problem, I guess the best I can say is to "just let go" as others have said.
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Re: No fear. [Re: Ruggo]
#6087674 - 09/21/06 08:12 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes, but there isnt really much of a 'how to guide'. I find its a matter of
- It feels as if I am presented with a choice - Let something bother you, or 'let go' and just go with it and have fun. If anything, it feels as if 'giving into the fear' is a choice, and its a choice I choose to not take.
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Re: No fear. [Re: kaniz]
#6087730 - 09/21/06 08:25 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
kaniz said:
yes, but there isnt really much of a 'how to guide'. I find its a matter of
- It feels as if I am presented with a choice - Let something bother you, or 'let go' and just go with it and have fun. If anything, it feels as if 'giving into the fear' is a choice, and its a choice I choose to not take.
A great many people feel they have no choice and they are being taken over by anxiety due to waves of unconscious and conscious material that really is at the time, getting the best of them..
Alot of the time this is one of the most useful tools because you try to find a way to let go and unless you give up, by the time the comedown starts you will have figured out not only how to avoid the fear THIS TIME, but you have learned alot about yourself along the way.
Fear is uncomfortable, but it works very closely with one of the most important aspects of hallucinogens, and that aspect is change.
To get over a fear you can work with your basic neurology and psychosomatics as well as all your memories and thoughts.
SO letting go is not the best idea in my opinion. You need to understand the fears you have before you can actually let go of them.
To just "let go" is just WAY too simple in my opinion. I just dont think you learn that much from intantly letting go of ones self at will.
To simply let go takes you to a whole nother level, but its not going to teach you much about anything that has to do with your mind and your body. Its a good way to drop off into hyperspace though.
SO there are alot of different solutions to avoiding the fear. One is to deal with it(which is one hell of an educational trip, or if you can, you can just forget about it.
I do understand that letting go is not as simple as it sounds, but just saying that is a bit brash.
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You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (09/21/06 08:31 PM)
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Re: No fear. [Re: yageman]
#6087993 - 09/21/06 09:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, there is choosing to not understand the fear and give into it, or choosing to either avoid, or analyze/understand the fear.
One of my most memorable LSD trips was a total anxiety/fear analysis trip and then learning what the roots of those fears were, understanding them and eventually overcoming them.
I had been having anxiety attacks/issues for a few years, and on this trip, I started to analyze the anxiety, the root of it, and how to deal with it. The remainder of the trip ended up being a big headfuck of
- having a fear or anxiety crop up. ie: feeling lost, alone, scared, unsure of myself or my surroundings, etc.
- being faced with "Let this fear overcome you, and ruin your trip", or "Face the fear head on, overcome the fear, and carry on with enjoying the trip" -- it wasn't so much letting go, but over coming that fear.
By the end of the trip, I had a much better understanding of some of the roots/sources of my fears, doubts, social anxiety issues, etc, and also felt much better equipped to deal with these issues without needing to reach for my medication (I was being perscribed Ativan for awhile, since this trip - I haven't gotten a refill)
That being said, the entire trip I was still sort of faced with choices
- Let XYZ situation freak me out and overwhelm me with fear and anxiety
- Or, take the choice to not let it freak me out, and approach it in various ways.
Some times, it was simply a matter of 'letting go' of that fear - and realizing that the fear was baseless. Other times, it was trying to figure out or understand it. But, far too often, people let 'pointless' fears or anxieties get the best of them and its not always a case of having to reflect and face internal demons or issues.
ie: The world around you looks 100% forgin and you no longer really have a point of reference. Freaking out isnt going to make this situation any better - most likely its just going to make it worse. You can chose to freak out and panic and let the sensation of feeling lost get the best of you, or, you can think "Hey neat, new world to explore!". make the best of it, and trust that you'll figure things out eventually.
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Phishe
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Re: No fear. [Re: yageman]
#6088005 - 09/21/06 09:45 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well said yageman, and kaniz.
I'm starting to understand how to progress. I have been getting the same "let go" for many psychedelic problems. Thank you for explaining in more detail.
Edited by Phishe (09/21/06 09:47 PM)
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Re: No fear. [Re: Phishe]
#6088195 - 09/21/06 10:29 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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It sounds like you're asking how to deal with the the fears you experience while tripping. I have found that I have cultivated courage in myself by challenging the fear. Usually I find that the fear has no basis, and that I have learned to "look danger in the face," and prevail. It's a character building experience.
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Re: No fear. [Re: Fixer]
#6088336 - 09/21/06 11:00 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was just saying that overcoming a fear or all your fears combined as an axiom only leading to death can be challenged by you and you can get over it in a variety of ways. So I agree with all thats been said.
ANY AND EVERY massive dose I have ever taken was a process to acheive ego loss, to stop caring about fear, not just some magical thing that comes to me. The magic happens later for the most part.
I have a feeling thats how it works for everybody, and it only seems different because other people premis their trip on something VERY similare but different in many ways.
I am prone to viewing the peak as the comdown and the comedown as the come up if I may be so abstract. Its a tool, you can do with it what you will and it can change you.
There really are SO MANY ways of overcoming the fear. I experience it during the comeup, and never on the comedown.
Your way of dealing with it cant really be taught, and it will just come to you as long as you dont rely on another person to help you do that. You will get what you need is the whole idea.
SHamans are not meant to lead the journey. They provide songs and knowledge but they wont impose a solution to your problems on you. They are meant to understand your intentions at the time of tripping. Most sitters are not ready to do that. Most people are not ready to understand or do that for someone.
To look danger in the face and deny it is not recommended by me is all.
Im totally sure that it works. I was not up for the effort it takes to deal with my body and mind at times. I know it works.
Self imposed amnesia is a hell of a drug. I just choose another route. To turn on and tune in rather than to drop out if I may say the most cliche thing I have ever said on this site.
There are great things beyond the anxiety, so dont get me wrong.
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
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Re: No fear. [Re: yageman]
#6089652 - 09/22/06 11:31 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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indeed...
as i see it fear is a defence mechanisem and the psychodelic expiriance shatters all defences hence you usually encounter fear in some sense if it's doubt or existential fear or selfconciuse fears... so for me it's always important to be ready and accept whatever i come across. i just take it as it is and face it or if i'm certine it's just a figment on my imagination i can choose to put it aside for later when i can think of it in a diffrent light.
and move on to the point when the reason for fear is apparant and dealt with, i don't think it ever goes away... it just takes a diffrent role...
gotta go but there's so much more to say 
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 Re: No fear. [Re: Phishe]
#6089874 - 09/22/06 01:12 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just change your train of thought. I find that when I am so in the moment, something so simple as changing what I am thinking about will usually lead to something else different entirely.
However, if everything you are thinking about resolves to the same thing. You need to face it and get in there with your fear because you have some fear about the basic nature of reality. And it is just that,
"The Fear." It is not backed or based on anything, except one's unwillingness to change.
My advice to deal with fear: become fluid like water.
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