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 ZippoZ
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 If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise drugs. 
#6088978 - 09/22/06 01:48 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Okay Thing is this. There is a war being waged against us hardworking americans that happen to use drugs.
its a damn shame, but what we need to do if we are going to ever take over the popular vote is consolate out fronts.
this means taking every pro marijuana group and focusing them on a single goal, a single change. Creating a consolidated front for this war on drugs.
Where might this front be you ask? As california has allready approved medical marijuana laws as well as some counties and towns legalising the drug, we need to start from this point, and move the only way we can East.
This brings us to the desert wastelands that are Nevada and Arizona.
These states are allready half way to acheieving lealisation and have had very close votes in the past, and will contiue to in the future, what they need is a nudge to get the vote past the finishing line.
We need to start treating this like a war. we need to raise money for this war and use one of the tactics used against us all too often, that tool is Propaganda
Yes, we need to get the message out there that drugs can be used safey, and responsibly. we need to show the benifits that drugs can have on peoples lives.
we need to get in their face, and show the people how this war is hurting them.
examples? happily!
campaign 1)
find the users of medical marijuana, those that have no other relief for their pain, and get their faces and their message everywhere.
Show the test subjects from the good friday experements
campaign 2)
show the financial burden on the tax payer for incarcerating otherwise harmless drug users, show them how it hits their bottom dollar.
example 3)
show how the illegal black market truly funds terrorists, and show how it can be used to bail out under-funded state schools, for failing security, for the improvment of Their life
Example 4) Show how the illegailty of drugs leads to violence, gangs, and other criminal behavior. and how it effects Their life
We need a message that hits home, and we need to be able to spread it, the avenues for these messages are as follows but are all going to be distributed at a very local level, to a point where they are saturating the local communities. and to an extent manipulating the media to get the message out. (not very difficult to do at all)
we need to get in their face, and show the people how this war is hurting them.
- public protests and rallies
- hand bills (passed out at public ralies)
- posters plastered on every light post, every blank wall
- Television ads
- newspaper ads
- extensive online activites including
-- the online hosting of above listed commercials
-- extensive campaigning on myspace and other social networking sites
But for all of this were going to need people and money., how do we get these?
we enlist them in the war! Everyone is always asking for a change, a chance to change the world, and we need to show them that this campaign is their opportunity to shine and make that change!
were going to need atleast one *head* of the orginisation, someone familiar to the counterculture that supports the cause. I would highly recomend using local music stars to gain support.
one of the best points made in Blow the movie was to the tune that once musicians and actors accept it, everyone else falls in line.
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"in times of widespread chaos and cofusion, it has ben the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m anagment, too much programming and controll, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Silversoul
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 Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: ZippoZ]
#6089017 - 09/22/06 02:04 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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What we need is to get ads on TV. Once we actually get a chance to be heard, it shouldn't be that difficult. But as long as the anti-drug crowd has a monopoly on TV spots, it's going to be an uphill battle.
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ZippoZ
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: Silversoul]
#6089028 - 09/22/06 02:08 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats why we go with the local stations! also why we bring the propaganda to the streets in the forms of hand bills on every ones caars, and posters/flyers plastered EVERYYWHERE
an active myspace group for the youngins
all of the comercials on you tube,
and also, somthing i forgot to mention. A massive text message campaign, which can be done fore very very cheap with a few cell phones with unlimited text capabilities. This is a big part of the media campaign.
the messages will include short facts about the failures of the war on drugs and benifits of legilisation. we can send millions of these for very very very cheap.
if i won, the lottery i would financially back this whole movement btw.
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zippoz
"in times of widespread chaos and cofusion, it has ben the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m anagment, too much programming and controll, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise drugs. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6089105 - 09/22/06 02:41 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Some of these ideas make me nervous, though overall I agree.
For example, marijuana sales in the US do not fund terrorism. Most estimates agree that the US grows its marijuana domestically (this was best demonstrated when the price failed to change post-NAFTA, even though all other drug prices decreased).
Claims that drug use is currently linked to terrorism are already used by some anti-drug campaigns, so echoing that could confuse the message.
Also, and I know many will disagree with this, I think that it would be important to first "close ranks" amongst various groups.
The average voter is open to arguments about how his tax money is being wasted, or about corruption in government/law enforcement, or even about how marijuana might be used to treat some illnesses. The average voter is NOT open to arguments about "mind expansion" or "getting closer to god" or anything related to "turning on, tuning in, and dropping out".
Furthermore, when pro-legalization groups are associated with these arguments, the entire movement loses. We need to make it clear that while some users will inevitably begin acting that way, the majority will not. Until everyone understands that legalizing some plants/chemicals will not result in massive hippy conversion, very little will happen.
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ZippoZ
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: Economist]
#6089148 - 09/22/06 03:00 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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"For example, marijuana sales in the US do not fund terrorism. Most estimates agree that the US grows its marijuana domestically (this was best demonstrated when the price failed to change post-NAFTA, even though all other drug prices decreased).
Claims that drug use is currently linked to terrorism are already used by some anti-drug campaigns, so echoing that could confuse the message.
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thats the beauty of it, turn their propaganda back onto them, i dont really know if drugs fund terrorism, but if the anti-legilisation people say they do then lets use it!
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zippoz
"in times of widespread chaos and cofusion, it has ben the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m anagment, too much programming and controll, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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kotik
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: ZippoZ]
#6089435 - 09/22/06 08:05 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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vote?  commercials?
who is a state full of voters to the actual politicians, black-ops teams and third-world druglords?
The thing is, our government makes way too much with drugs being illegal, and furthermore they finance their own war on drugs with drug money. The unfair part is that citizens have a much better chance of getting caught and sent to prison for it.
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StroFun
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: kotik]
#6089510 - 09/22/06 09:54 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know colorado is a conservative state but i believe that the statewide initiative will pass by anarrow margin or lose by a very narrow margin, setting up a campaign for 2007 in its wake. Colorado should be the example for legalisation once there is a solid foundation of medical marijuana legislation throughout the country. Also part of the campaigning should include the federal government's reaction to medical marijuana laws as they should drastically increas which medical legislature. If we are to focus on one objective some might say that objective should be to get pot rescheduled and to seek FDA approval and fund clinical studies to back medical legislature .
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: ZippoZ]
#6090766 - 09/22/06 05:40 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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MPP does all of this. 
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: Silversoul]
#6090806 - 09/22/06 05:50 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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ZippoZ
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#6090887 - 09/22/06 06:22 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I havent seen them, where are they being aired?
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zippoz
"in times of widespread chaos and cofusion, it has ben the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m anagment, too much programming and controll, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: ZippoZ]
#6092251 - 09/23/06 02:21 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think the real problem with the MPP comercials is funding, they have produced 1 to date, and they air it when they can, but they just don't have the capacity (right now) to truly flood the airways the way the government can with "Above the Influence" or "TRUTH" campaigns.
I like some of what Zippoz is saying, mostly because if closing ranks means more funding going to things like TV commercials, the good ideas put out by the MPP could recieve the support they need.
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ZippoZ
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: Economist]
#6093259 - 09/23/06 03:19 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats why we need a coalitlon of the willing!!!!
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zippoz
"in times of widespread chaos and cofusion, it has ben the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m anagment, too much programming and controll, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: ZippoZ]
#6095424 - 09/24/06 01:05 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Join Al Qaeda and become a martyr.
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: ZippoZ]
#6097582 - 09/25/06 04:42 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
zippoz said:
Thats why we need a coalitlon of the willing!!!!
What we need statistics and studies, complete with peer-review.
The absolute biggest hurdle to legalization is the complete lack of evidence for what will happen post-legalization. The nay-sayers claim we'll turn into a land of addicts and deadbeats. What we need to show (and likely could, with the right partners) is exactly how much consumption will change with legalization, and what we can expect from the increased consumption.
After that, we can begin to get corporations on board, guaranteeing a certain more respectable element to the supply end.
It could be done, but we need more research first.
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StroFun
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: Economist]
#6098344 - 09/25/06 02:07 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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All the studies in the world dont mean shit to the ONDCP unless they are FDA approved studies with government supplied(low potency) pot. This is evident and the sole argument the ONDCP has and uses, see "waiting to inhale" after showing debate.
What we need is to donate to MPP and support rescheduling and have FDA approved studies, but what i'm afrad then is that there will be no chance for recreational use and everything will have to be prescribed. Thats (in my opinion) what the majority of people working for legalization think so they try for legislation rather than medical science efforts.
I think once the cities and states begin to decriminalize and legalize, we should definitely go for FDA studies but unless we are adamant we want this without prescriptions we won't get it without prescriptions, and then you'll have a whole new problem with bogus prescriptions and bogus medicl care which will only aid the decline of quality medical care due to a number of factors including malpractice insurance costs.
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shroomer44
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: StroFun]
#6113150 - 09/28/06 11:04 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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It would be a good idea to use countries like the netherlands as a positive example of what this can do for our country. I cant find the exact link to the data (a quick google should do it for anyone who wants to look), but ive read many times before that since they developed a harm-reduction attitude towards drug use instead of incarceration and criminal charges, the numbers of new drug users and young drug users have all gone down. The only thing thats gone up is the number of young people who have started drinking. I agree with most of the people in this thread, that if drugs are ever to be legalized the battle will be long and tedious, and most likely before legalization there must be a gradual swing towards harm reduction and helping those addicted to drugs. The average voter will not be swayed by much on this issue, so first they need to be shown how much better things will become if a more casual standpoint is taken towards drug use, and addicts are helped (if they want it) instead of thrown in jail to be abused by violent inmates and come out worse than they were when they were sentanced.
Look at the heroin maintenance programs they have in a lot of countries now, such as the netherlands, switzerland, germany, the UK (although the netherlands is often credited as the pioneer of this program, the UK was actually the first to implement it. Doctors have been prescribing heroin to a small group of addicts since the 60's.) The problem currently, is that in most of these countries you must be down and out and homeless and criminally active in order to qualify. Keeping that in mind, the data they have collected on these programs is really impressive. A great many of those addicts who are given free heroin daily no longer commit crimes and begin to take responsibility for their lives and in alot of cases even start to participate in their communities.
I beleive this is what we need to aim for in the beginning. Once people see how things improve and the power is taken away from the high level drug dealers who will kill anyone in order to get what they want, they will likely change their stance and even non drug using folk may see the benefits of legalization, if only for their own financial sake. Cocaine and methamphetamine (and all stimulants) however, are an entirely different story in my opinion. I think its an impossible task to push for legalization of these substances since they have been proven to be so harmful to the body, and i dont think these should even be mentioned until the movement gains firm ground on the legalization of cannabis for medical use and in the semi-legalization of other drugs (heroin maintenance for addicts, unlimited free benzos for alchoholics etc).
Slowly but surely...
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: shroomer44]
#6139458 - 10/06/06 07:43 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Unlimited free benzo's??? Now that sounds dangerous.
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shroomer44
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: phungi]
#6145523 - 10/08/06 02:55 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Benzos are not very dangerous at all as long as you dont drink on them, or use any other downers in combination. In addition, a doctor will be able to tell the person who is getting benzos exactly how much they can take to get the maximum buzz safely. And if its the withdrawal symptoms your talking about (which really are dangerous), this will never be a problem if drugs are legalized. Nobody would ever have to get off of them unless they wanted to, and if they did, they could do a very slow taper over years and experience minimum discomfort.
Edited by shroomer44 (10/08/06 02:58 AM)
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise dru [Re: shroomer44]
#6159352 - 10/11/06 08:12 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a good plan, and i am plenty willing to get out there and do this. We need a leader though, and it isn't going to be me. I dont have the time or funds, so that excuses me. I will help out like crazy though when this happens. And it eventually will.
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Re: If its a war on drugs they want, A war is what we should give them, ZIppo'z plan to legalise drugs. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6178424 - 10/17/06 02:37 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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if u really wanna put yourself out there in the war on drugs
u go public
smoke a joint in front of your local courthouse
take it to court
flood the system with cannabis citations
knowing is not enough one must aply
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