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The existing social order was built and is maintained on greed, oppression, slavery and exploitation. Psychedelics threaten the passive (and sometimes active) acceptance of mainstream America to this uncomfortable fact.

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Offical efforts to thwart the expression
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individuals and society might be
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people and evolutionarily
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I am completely convinced that there is a wealth of information built into us, with miles of intuitive knowledge tucked away in the genetic material of every one of our cells. Something akin to a library containing uncountable reference volumes, but without some means of access, there is no way to even begin to guess at the extent of quality of what is there. The psychedelic drugs allow exploration of this interior world, and insights into its nature.

Our generation is the first ever to have made the search for self-awareness a crime, if it is done with the use of plants or chemical compounds as the means of opening the psychic doors. But the urge to become aware is always present, and it increases in intensity as one grows older.

Alexander Shulgin

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Thanks for the recommendation. Sounds interesting and i will bookmark it.

At the moment i am reading The Phenomenon of Man by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (no matter how hard i try, i can never correctly pronounce his name).
In it he covers his self-coined concepts of the "noosphere" and the "omega point" which i am almost positive you are familiar with, if not then definitely check it out!

This thread is getting me all warmed up so i'll continue.

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Indeed, the potential that psychedelics possess in bringing about an evolution of conscience within humanity as a species is boundless. Wars of aggression and racism could be ended at once; as well as all outdated reactionary dogma. With those immense obstacles removed, the existing social order could be abolished and society revolutionarily remade according to the principles of peace of justice. However, this will not happen so long as greed and ego are the primary traits of not only humanity's present rulers, but also humanity as a whole. Loss of ego is the most pure path to utopia.

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Utopia. I often feel this term is generally misunderstood. Most people tend to associate it with the "perfect society", "a place free of conflict and problems". I don't think that is the true meaning of the word.

As you said loss of ego is the path to utopia, which i envision to be a personal state of acceptance for a world that will never be perfect, 100% trouble-free, and the way we always want it to be. Life is just too varied and multi-facetted to fit everyone's ideals. There will always be someone who disagrees, opposes, and attacks. Attacking only to defend their own insecurities about what they hold true.

In the end, love, respect, understanding, and gratitude will prevail for these values cannot be killed by a gun, or bombs. No matter how hard the male will try to repress the female, the female will always slip through its grip, like water, like sand, like air. This is its self-balancing nature. This allows existence to unfold, step by step, without overflowing.

The male drives, the female brakes, to save the male who will drive faster and faster until he eventually crashes.

The female brakes, the male drives, to save the female who will go slower and slower until she eventually comes to a hold.

Yin Yang, this and that, here and there, now and now.

Whoops, i'm rambling again. I'm just coming down some cubies right now so visonary thought is in full gear.

The bottomline: We create our own utopias, we realize our own dreams, we program our own realities, so pick up the brush, get the colors, and start painting your life.



hope to hear more of your insights and am welcoming everyone else to join in!

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im pissed that drugs mushrooms are illegal cuz since they are i have got a felony...assholes

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AnthonyStoner said:
My main points of view on this issue are as follows: if magic mushrooms are a public health concern, then what the hell is alcohol and tobacco?

Mushrooms grow naturally on this planet, as does weed. Therefore it should not be illegal. Very simple. To outlaw nature is an insane, paranoid and extremely arrogant thing, a fact which is obvious to anybody who's power of rational perception and reasoning is functioning correctly (ie hasnt been too badly polluted by propaganda and scare tactics).

If you're going to declare war on drugs, why do you wanna exclude alcohol (which kills tons more people than shrooms or weed ever did) and tobacco (ditto)? Declare war on yourself instead.

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You are right, any rational mind should immediately see through this nonsense. It is absolutely ludicrous to make a plant illegal, or any other life form for that matter. Such a stance clearly derives from the popular arrogant mentality that ‘man is above nature’, above as in, having the power to make life and take life, a power that we must ironically surrender to ourselves due to our biology and obvious place in nature.

We are not above nature, or below nature; we are nature. We are Life.

So why does nobody get this? Because it’s spinned.

Plants and mushrooms are illegal because they’re bad for you, but sure go ahead, drive down to the liquor store, buy a case of beer and a bottle of johnny, and while you’re there, grab a pack of cigs which we so heavily advertise.. Do people see this? No.

Or maybe yes. Perhaps people do see this. Maybe people do realize this absurdity, but how can they speak out? What outlets do they have available? What institutions exist that allow people to make direct requests concerning the irrationality of some legislation? Your local township council? Sure thing, just drop a letter in their mailbox, they’ll read it, discuss it briefly at a meeting, dismiss it, and it will be a thing of the past, the voice of the troubled people will be forgotten, no change will be made, and the ridiculous laws remain in the books.

The central problem is the design of our social system. You can say crime is an issue, abuse is an issue, or you can go as far as saying that oil is the issue and politics is the issue. Surely, these are all issues, but they are not the problem. The problem cannot be solved by clearing up the issues, the problem itself as a whole must be solved, then the issues will take care of themselves, since they are all part of the problem.

And the problem is clearly the design of society. So what’s so wrong with the social system of today’s culture? The problem is that power is centralized, and not evenly distributed amongst the whole. This allows very few people on top to control the lives of millions. People on the bottom of the pyramid virtually have no power in the decision making of any laws, including drug laws, or laws concerning the environment, or laws of military nature, and not to mention they have no voice on matters of foreign relations. The individual member of society has no control over any of these aspects. Only the very few people who have centralized power, can pull the strings any way they want, and they are always pulled to meet their own needs, not the needs of the majority. Not the needs of you and me.

Straight up, this is the consequence of a democratic society that has elected itself into a fascist society.

Alcohol and tobacco are permitted because they serve the elite’s interests. Alcohol is known to be an ego-nurturing drug, it promotes violent territorial behavior, irrational foggy thinking, and plain irresponsibility. Tobacco, like caffeine, is a so-called industrial drug, it stimulates the central nervous system and is therefore an ideal catalyst for production. That’s why you find people drinking coffee everywhere at their jobs, it keeps you awake and working longer, it's the holy water of corporatism, it keeps the economy rolling, and that again is all in the ruling power’s interest, money, money, money.

Mushrooms and Cannabis? Are you crazy? Drugs that promote free thought, creativity, peaceful behavior, and respect towards other human beings? Drugs that allow you to find God? They cannot have that. Our social structure would crumble if people were concerned about peace, love, and spirituality. And this shows exactly that there is something wrong with our society. Because if you have a society that will fall apart due to the values of peace, love, and free spirit, and can only be maintained by war, conflict, prohibition, control, and a mechanistic world view, well then, that clearly proves that the design is flawed. And that is exactly what people must recognize and become aware of. And i think we must also act on it, and not be afraid to start this thing from scratch again. So instead of dropping your complaint letter in the mailbox of the local court house, go out and hug a stranger, teach people truth and educate about matters that truly matter. This is the clear way to go, it’s the first step to improving society and our own lives, and the first step towards legalizing life again.

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AnthonyStoner said:
My main points of view on this issue are as follows: if magic mushrooms are a public health concern, then what the hell is alcohol and tobacco?

Mushrooms grow naturally on this planet, as does weed. Therefore it should not be illegal. Very simple. To outlaw nature is an insane, paranoid and extremely arrogant thing, a fact which is obvious to anybody who's power of rational perception and reasoning is functioning correctly (ie hasnt been too badly polluted by propaganda and scare tactics).

If you're going to declare war on drugs, why do you wanna exclude alcohol (which kills tons more people than shrooms or weed ever did) and tobacco (ditto)? Declare war on yourself instead.

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You are right, any rational mind should immediately see through this nonsense. It is absolutely ludicrous to make a plant illegal, or any other life form for that matter. Such a stance clearly derives from the popular arrogant mentality that ‘man is above nature’, above as in, having the power to make life and take life, a power that we must ironically surrender to ourselves due to our biology and obvious place in nature.

We are not above nature, or below nature; we are nature. We are Life.

So why does nobody get this? Because it’s spinned.

Plants and mushrooms are illegal because they’re bad for you, but sure go ahead, drive down to the liquor store, buy a case of beer and a bottle of johnny, and while you’re there, grab a pack of cigs which we so heavily advertise.. Do people see this? No.

Or maybe yes. Perhaps people do see this. Maybe people do realize this absurdity, but how can they speak out? What outlets do they have available? What institutions exist that allow people to make direct requests concerning the irrationality of some legislation? Your local township council? Sure thing, just drop a letter in their mailbox, they’ll read it, discuss it briefly at a meeting, dismiss it, and it will be a thing of the past, the voice of the troubled people will be forgotten, no change will be made, and the ridiculous laws remain in the books.

The central problem is the design of our social system. You can say crime is an issue, abuse is an issue, or you can go as far as saying that oil is the issue and politics is the issue. Surely, these are all issues, but they are not the problem. The problem cannot be solved by clearing up the issues, the problem itself as a whole must be solved, then the issues will take care of themselves, since they are all part of the problem.

And the problem is clearly the design of society. So what’s so wrong with the social system of today’s culture? The problem is that power is centralized, and not evenly distributed amongst the whole. This allows very few people on top to control the lives of millions. People on the bottom of the pyramid virtually have no power in the decision making of any laws, including drug laws, or laws concerning the environment, or laws of military nature, and not to mention they have no voice on matters of foreign relations. The individual member of society has no control over any of these aspects. Only the very few people who have centralized power, can pull the strings any way they want, and they are always pulled to meet their own needs, not the needs of the majority. Not the needs of you and me.

Straight up, this is the consequence of a democratic society that has elected itself into a fascist society.

Alcohol and tobacco are permitted because they serve the elite’s interests. Alcohol is known to be an ego-nurturing drug, it promotes violent territorial behavior, irrational foggy thinking, and plain irresponsibility. Tobacco, like caffeine, is a so-called industrial drug, it stimulates the central nervous system and is therefore an ideal catalyst for production. That’s why you find people drinking coffee everywhere at their jobs, it keeps you awake and working longer, it's the holy water of corporatism, it keeps the economy rolling, and that again is all in the ruling power’s interest, money, money, money.

Mushrooms and Cannabis? Are you crazy? Drugs that promote free thought, creativity, peaceful behavior, and respect towards other human beings? Drugs that allow you to find God? They cannot have that. Our social structure would crumble if people were concerned about peace, love, and spirituality. And this shows exactly that there is something wrong with our society. Because if you have a society that will fall apart due to the values of peace, love, and free spirit, and can only be maintained by war, conflict, prohibition, control, and a mechanistic world view, well then, that clearly proves that the design is flawed. And that is exactly what people must recognize and become aware of. And i think we must also act on it, and not be afraid to start this thing from scratch again. So instead of dropping your complaint letter in the mailbox of the local court house, go out and hug a stranger, teach people truth and educate about matters that truly matter. This is the clear way to go, it’s the first step to improving society and our own lives, and the first step towards legalizing life again.

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Very well said!

You bring up many points at once so I took a day to reflect on your statements.

It seems to me that you connect capitalism with the concept of psychedelic freedom which is what is being discussed in this thread. By doing so you are linking money and religious freedom with another. This proves to be an unreal link because survival and the drive to make meaning of life are on two completely different sides of the river. Money is not freedom. Surely, money can open up possibilities, but it will never be directly responsible for spiritual fulfillment and happiness. This responsibility solely lies in the human being himself and is beyond material dreams.

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I just do not understand how the "pro-drug" movement, which decries the values of being open-minded and all-allowing became so closed-minded and narrow-sighted in such a short period of time. For a group so dedicated to fostering understanding and friendship, they are the fastest to employ labels, stereotypes, and one-sided viewpoints.

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The world has never seen anything as prolific as McDonalds, it should be studied and celebrated, not reviled.

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I’m not sure if you glorify McDonalds in the sense that it has made a few people “winners in the game of capitalism” or that it values profits more than the quality of their food. At any rate McDonalds is a just what it is, a corporation.

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corporation: an association of individuals, created by law or under authority of law, having a continuous existence independent of the existences of its members, and powers and liabilities distinct from those of its members.

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Now, I think that it's important that steps towards legalization are taken (or at the very least, decriminalization). But they cannot be held back by arguments about the "fundamental nature of society" that are inherently one-sided and employ broad labels or stereotypes.

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If you want to end the regime of prohibition you have to do it constructively, not destructively.

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the answer is neither. Individual freedom is not a structure to be erected or taken down. Freedom is an ever-changing process. It is the choices we make that are based upon what we think, feel, and dream. The human spirit is not static, it is fluid and dynamic. Structure only eliminates choice, and thus the case of prohibition is not something to be constructed or destructed, it is something to be transcended.