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 Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far)  [Re: YidakiMan]
#2690720 - 05/17/04 12:35 PM (9 years, 6 days ago) |
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Neogen (the parent co. of morel mountain) sold the patent to Terry Farms in '94, the production facility is located in Auburn, Alabama. I have contact info somewhere but can't find it. If I locate it I'll post it.
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Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: Workman]
#2697485 - 05/18/04 06:21 PM (9 years, 5 days ago) |
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Culture syringes isolated from this fruiting patch are now available at Sporeworks.
www.sporeworks.com/morchella.html
Thanks!
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Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: Speeker]
#2700093 - 05/19/04 08:44 AM (9 years, 4 days ago) |
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That pic with a man holding giant morel is obviously a fake,
but check this out!
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/stories/052603/new_052603050.shtml
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Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: Speeker]
#2700361 - 05/19/04 10:51 AM (9 years, 4 days ago) |
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You do get around Speeker! 
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Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: Speeker]
#2703731 - 05/20/04 12:55 AM (9 years, 3 days ago) |
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If can you find a morel culture that forms scleratia liberally on agar, I bet you can get it to fruit outside.
Make spawn, allow to age. In an outdoor garden, dig a foot deep, make a bottom layer nutrient rich and 8 inches deep. A substrate that will be covered fast by the mycelium, spawn this out. Make the top layer nutrient poor and 4 inches thick. The mycelium will eagerly absorb nutrients from the nutrient rich medium and then place scleratia in the nutrient poor top layer. Favorable temps and moisture will bring fruits. The biology of the morel mushrooms proves that morels will form scleratia if the temperature is low or high, if the moisture is low, or if it runs out of nutrients.
The bottom substrate layer is easy. It should be rich in organic matter. I think animal dung is going in the wrong direction, since morels are not associated with that medium at all. Perhaps a mixture of worm castings and sawdust?
But the top layer is tricky. Regular dirt maybe? Mushroom compost would be barren of nutrients that Agaricus would need. Simply put, nutrient poor dirt would make the best top layer.
Read this as to how I came to this conclusion that scleratia are the key to natural cultivation outdoors. http://www.bluewillowpages.com/mushroomexpert/morels/recent.html
I am going to run with this hypothesis with any remaining yellow morels that I find. I'll clone as many as I can find and work with the ones that form scleratia on agar. But the season is nearly over here. We are only findng "thick footed morels" which are genetically M. esculenta. I may have to head north to find more shrooms. Luckily I am going to N. Michigan regional Rainbow gathering this weekend, there should be shrooms up there. Lots of shrooms... lol
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Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: YidakiMan]
#2703752 - 05/20/04 12:57 AM (9 years, 3 days ago) |
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Workman, how many cultures that produced scleratia on agar would not fruit outside?
Edited by YidakiMan (05/20/04 12:58 AM)
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Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: YidakiMan]
#2705157 - 05/20/04 12:36 PM (9 years, 3 days ago) |
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Thats hard to say. The basic problem is that morels just don't naturally fruit in my area. I think the climate is too mild with temperatures rarely falling below 40F or rising above 80F. Morels seem be stimulated by a snow melt that floods the ground and then drains away. We have them commonly in the mountains but in my coastal area they are virtually nonexistant. So I expect that cultures that may easily fruit in other areas fail when attempted in my area. I am hopeful that the strain I have succeeded with is locally adapted and not just a fluke. Only time will tell.
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Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: Speeker]
#2705380 - 05/20/04 01:30 PM (9 years, 3 days ago) |
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I may purchase your culture. your prices are steep compared to a trade, but cheap compared to a culture library. Plus, I've always been happy with all of my orders from you guys.
It seems most success has been with black morels. I'm gonna start collecting strains. I think a shock or undernourishment is a key to fruits forming outside. I wonder what would happen if you tilled an area with a live morel mycelial mat. The result would surely depend upon the season.
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 Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: YidakiMan]
#2708938 - 05/21/04 01:06 AM (9 years, 2 days ago) |
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YidakiMan said:
I am going to run with this hypothesis with any remaining yellow morels that I find. I'll clone as many as I can find and work with the ones that form scleratia on agar.
This is presently the track I am on right now. I found 2 yellow morels growing directly from a campfire spot today. Yesterday we found a patch of 25 giant yellow morels. I have cloned a few specimens of black morels already, and plan to do the same with these yellows (especially the campfire ones). I also have clones from half-free morels which it was an excellent year for around here. I have been focusing my cloning on late season black morels, burnsite yellows (I have one true burnsite yellow, plus the 2 campfire site ones), and a few half-free morels (why not?)...
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Luckily I am going to N. Michigan regional Rainbow gathering this weekend, there should be shrooms up there. Lots of shrooms... lol
I live in Northern Michigan (lower peninsula, roughly Tawas City in terms of how far north) and can tell you that season is winding down. The black morels here are still out but very mature and rotting (but there is still a nice one here and there). The half-free morel season is about over as well, but you can still find excellent specimens. The yellow morel season is in full swing, but coming toward the end. Very large specimens out now (thick footers). The further north you go, the season will be later. People keep telling me that the season is over here, but I keep bringing home mushrooms. Perhaps the season is over in the places where they pick, because no new mushrooms are growing. But if you know where to find them, they are still out there:
All but three of the below mushrooms were found at the base of a single tree.
Here is one that may help you get motivated:
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Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: ATWAR]
#2799129 - 06/16/04 02:57 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hope that you store those strains on dH2O before they degrade too much. I would very much be intrested in your collection of morchella cultures. Please PM, maybe we can work something out.
I have more space now than I have had before. In a month, I will have made a 2ft x 4ft laminar flow bench. With my aa941 I can process quite a bit of substrate for a home cultivator. I read GGMM, the sawdust/ryegrass bag is how Stamets succeeded as well. I'll cook a bunch of bags for each strain I can find, bury them and record their performance. Since the bags get buried outdoors in the ground, I would bet that the BE could get quite high. At least 100% maybe 200%.
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Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: brainbreath]
#5898233 - 07/25/06 03:29 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the link to the chinese morchella cultivation site. I've searched all over the web for morel growing information and never bumped into that. Good find!
No one has responded in this thread, did anyone try the larger beds out? My guess is after putting in all the time to make a hole in the ground to simply get one sitting of morels scaling it up proved problematic.
As for strains, I've got a vigorous M. esculenta strain going right now if anyone is interested. As I'm slowly finding out sclerota formation is not necessarily the hard part, but getting them to fruit is. I've had great success with simply putting a small piece of agar in a sterlized jar with 60% wheat berries on bottom, a perforated foil layer and potting soil on top to make sclerota. The incubation time is incredible, a quart jar can be colonized from on inoculation site in a little over a week. While I've got tons of microsclerota by two weeks, I believe it will take about five weeks to get descent sclerota.
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Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: phalcon005]
#5898371 - 07/25/06 04:06 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow this is interesting stuff!!! I've never tasted a morel,  ,
They look really impressive, their medicinal benefits seem amazing...
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For good treatment of kidney loss
Good job Workman!
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Re: Cultivated morels (outdoors only so far) [Re: Feelers]
#5901288 - 07/26/06 09:40 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I highly recommend that you try them if you get the chance. They seem to be overpriced but I've never bought them. I like self-picked. 
Workman - great post. 
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