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 Libertarian
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 Re: Bad trip with demons...advice  [Re: XUL]
#4759850 - 10/05/05 03:35 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Think about this, it is only scary if your mind believes the mythology. One (wo)man's demon faces, or another one's trippy aspect of a phantasmagoria.
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XUL
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: Libertarian]
#4759859 - 10/05/05 03:39 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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well.. I mean. If there are hundreds of faces with mean pointed in eyebrows and grotesque faces watching you, its hard to make any good out of it. I see what your saying tho.
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Libertarian
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: XUL]
#4759905 - 10/05/05 03:50 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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because that is what we are conditioned to think. Dark, black or red, is evil, while this may not be so in other cultures. Few though, because human facial expressions tend to be universal. But it depends on how well you buy into mythology, the militant atheist, who has not a shread of doubt, will find it amusing, like a movie, while the agnostic, might find it more scary than a christian would. Personally as long as I could maintain the "I'm high" realization I would be fine, typically this can be done, by repeating it to yourself sober, focusing while dosing, and then when you see it you know it is fake, then you can lay back and have fun with it like a nightmare.
Bad trips typically originate within the deeper realms of consciousness. I have yet to hear about a person with a clear mind, and relaxed conscious having a bad trip (except for on dangerous drugs like datura)
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: Libertarian]
#4760071 - 10/05/05 04:40 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's hard when you have an experience that's so real and so horrifying to you. You feel as though you've been betrayed by the mushrooms, like they've played a trick on you. But really, they are teaching. Even during a trip you have to look past what's "really" there, and see the trip for what it truly is.
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phlegmbae
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: sayt1397]
#4760182 - 10/05/05 05:17 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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If your boyfriend doesn't want to do anymore tripping, and you are still enjoying the journeys, it's time to move on sister! Find someone with the same interests as your own. Personally, I like all trips. Good, Bad, or indifferent. I love getting the shit scared outta me, and I thrive on the fear, and rushes I get when fully Stutzed. I compare a bad trip, which to me really isn't bad, to a ride on an especially exhillarating roller coaster.
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: phlegmbae]
#4760211 - 10/05/05 05:29 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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phlegmbae said:
If your boyfriend doesn't want to do anymore tripping,
Ah... thats awful nice, giving up tripping for your significant other...
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and you are still enjoying the journeys, it's time to move on sister! Find someone with the same interests as your own. Personally, I like all trips. Good, Bad, or indifferent. I love getting the shit scared outta me, and I thrive on the fear, and rushes I get when fully Stutzed. I compare a bad trip, which to me really isn't bad, to a ride on an especially exhillarating roller coaster.
bawaaahh? Give up a relationship because your partner doesn't want to trip? Right... let's punish the people seeing demons. I've had 'horrible' trips, resulting in not wanting to trip for a long time. I'd been there for every one of my girlfriend's trips after that though, including her first, overwhelming mescaline trip. You probably weren't being too serious, but anyone who'd give up someone they love, or is otherwise interested in because of drugs (other than the person trying to change you as a person) should take some time to think about what they're doing, and what direction they're headed.
I suppose I don't know how old the poster is, for silly little high school (senior, 18 years old, naturally) it's one thing, and it's another if you're not attracted to straight edge individuals. Not necessarily because they don't do drugs, but they might not be as accepting and "thinking outside the box" but man... breaking up with someone who doesn't want to trip, especially because they had a bad experience is depressing.
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phlegmbae
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: Koala Koolio]
#4760291 - 10/05/05 05:55 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry you find my opinion wrong, but it all depends on the person, and the situation. Some of us take our trips more seriously than others. As you mentioned, I don't know the individual who started this post, but I'm assuming that she's probably in her late teens to late 20's, and that's too young to be hooked up with someone who doesn't have the same interests as you. OTOH, if you are so deeply involved with your significant other, you just live with it. But eventually you will grow apart.
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: phlegmbae]
#4760382 - 10/05/05 06:28 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like tripping as much as the next Zetetic. But I could never leave someone I loved because they won't trip on a single substance. Maybe, just maybe, if they became an anti drug crusader. Only then because that is them attacking what and who I am. But if they don't want to do it, far be it from me to force them. This is just my personal view, and not moralizing. I just fail to see what someone exercizing their right to not use shrooms, has to do with me leaving them, the same could be in vice-versa. The person who doesn't use drugs, leaving someone who does (which happens far too much).
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: phlegmbae]
#4760420 - 10/05/05 06:39 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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phlegmbae said:
Sorry you find my opinion wrong, but it all depends on the person, and the situation. Some of us take our trips more seriously than others. As you mentioned, I don't know the individual who started this post, but I'm assuming that she's probably in her late teens to late 20's, and that's too young to be hooked up with someone who doesn't have the same interests as you. OTOH, if you are so deeply involved with your significant other, you just live with it. But eventually you will grow apart.
You're definitely right that it depends on the situation. And I definitely take trips quite seriously. I think such an age is too young to be hooked up with someone who has nothing in common with you. Like the last poster said, if the individual is against drugs, and against your way of life, obviously that would be quite a task to work. But, it's possible to have respect for hallucinogenic drugs, respect their users, not partake, and be there for your partner.
If the guy doesn't take hallucinogens seriously, and the girl does, perhaps the guy might one day not take *her* seriously. If this is what you're saying, I understand. If the two people's minds differ so greatly, it probably won't work out. That's not to say you should just break it off.
I guess I agree that it depends on the situation, and that it might not work. I disagree with your opinion in the recommendation of separating without full knowledge of the situation it depends on.
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phlegmbae
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: Koala Koolio]
#4760451 - 10/05/05 06:47 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hallelujiah!
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: phlegmbae]
#4891130 - 11/03/05 08:27 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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demons! so what!
Face them. Dont be afraid, there is nothing to be afraid off. Facing them and seeing them for what they are and not for what they want you to think they are is what brings true healing into the experience. You never again have to fear for them. You will see that fear will dissipate also from your every day life. Becuase what mushrooms and other drugs do is zoom in into what is already there. What you face and heal in a Trip usually accompanies you for the rest of your life.
We tend to run away from the so called negative experiences, it is the natural thing to do. Shamans tend to face them. Drugs are a tool, a spiritual one.
In other words be positively charged and negative charges will only increases more your positivity. YOU choose. YOU.
If negativity comes allow it to come, don't fight it nor resist it, allow it to be and observe it cant harm you!!! if its there it is there for a reason, allow it to be!
So yea.. relax, dont worry, you dont have to try them again if you dont want to, more important is that you understand that there is really nothing "bad" out there, when demons show up in a tryp it is onley the mind comunicating in symbols your pain, negative emotions, fear, etc. All cultures have demons andstuff, all of the spiritual teachers know they have NO power, none, cero, nada! so heal up! pay close atention to the demons, invite love while you do so, or light. Bless your shrooms even if you dont belive in that shit!
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: Yatchak]
#4891159 - 11/03/05 08:34 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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word yatchak
I faced problems when i was rolling on ecstasy, and after i came down, it stayed with me. it was relationship problems...and mdma fixed it all.
Who says drugs fuck your life up.
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: shroomanic]
#4891207 - 11/03/05 08:43 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was thinking of how old this post is (about a month). Then I looked back at the talking we did, and realized someone bumped a year and a half old post. Hahah... no wonder the poster never replied.
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Re: Bad trip with demons...advice [Re: Koala Koolio]
#4896856 - 11/05/05 07:58 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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To tell the truth, personally I can?t imagine what to do indoors when tripping. I tripped alone first time and was getting crazy till guessed to rush out to the street. I believe, no any video, posters or another stuff could ?save? me that time. I had quite close acquaintance with the feeling of ?dark and ugly walls? you mentioned. I probably should see monsters if the dose had a bit higher.
Next time I was tripping together with my friend. We went outside straight after we ate mushrooms and the trip was FASCINATING! We saw a bunch of amazing things such as a magic forest, an ancient castle in the forest (just a building of scientific research institute located there in reality), sky ships among sunset clouds, etc, etc? No one bad feeling during the entire trip!
So I think it is a good idea to go to the nature. Don?t forget a bottle of water\lemonade\beer, you?ll certainly want to drink but it can happen to be a problem to buy anything when tripping.
Food is not necessary although you can get a lot of fun with ?endless? chocolate bar or a ?coil? of sausage  ???? tripping!
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hey guys me and my girl and a friend eat some shrooms lastnight.and i paid attention to the vissuals that i got..and i seen a shit load of demons.like when i was sitting on the pourch laughing and giggling.just having fun late at night.everywere i looked i seen demons.another thing that caught my eye was after i got done smoking my ciggerette.i flicked the but then about 5 minutes later my friend asked if i was smoking again.i said no.then i seen smoke go right by us.and when i looked into it i seen the devil looking at me.and he just smiled at me and laughed.and of caurse with me tripping my ass off.i just laughed back.but i was in a really good mood.and my girl seen alot of the same shit.i cann't wait to eat more to see if get the same thing again.but could it all be..see i love triping..i am a tripe baby.and i never got vissuals like that before..
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You see what you see, and you feel what you feel. Doesn't matter if you are sober or tripping. You have the power to label something as "positive" or "negative," and ultimately it is only your label that affects how you react in most cases.
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