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 afoaf
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 I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded 
#5451150 - 03/28/06 02:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/03/28/france.protests/index.html
Some one send france to an economics class.
At least the whiney entitlement crowd.
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 Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: afoaf]
#5451187 - 03/28/06 02:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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"The CPE would allow employers to hire and fire workers who are 26 years old and younger any time within their first two years of employment for any reason."
that sounds pretty fucking retarded to me. usually thats a clause in an application, stating that under the first 90 days or whatever.. but written into law saying that if you are under 26, you can be fired at anytime, for any reason.. i can see why students would oppose that.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: afoaf]
#5451191 - 03/28/06 02:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I donno about retarded... some pretty bright scientists have come out of France... but the French culture sure seem to have a lot of issues/oddities/analness compared to your typical European country.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: kotik]
#5451282 - 03/28/06 03:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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that sounds pretty fucking retarded to me. usually thats a clause in an application, stating that under the first 90 days or whatever.. but written into law saying that if you are under 26, you can be fired at anytime, for any reason.. i can see why students would oppose that.
But the right to contract should be unlimited. I don't know the specifics of French labor law, but if the law says nothing more than 'employers have the right to fire an employee under the age of 26 during the first two years of employment', and this overrides any mutually agreed upon contractual clause to the contrary, then I have a big problem with it, though not for the same reason the morons protesting do. Again, there should be an unlimited right to contract -- if an employer and an employee agree on a contract whereby the employee can be fired for any reason for the first 50 years of employment, that should be perfectly fine. Willful ignorance of economics is not a French phenomenon, it's a human phenomenon.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: Ancalagon]
#5451296 - 03/28/06 03:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the student protests are more due to the fact that it is apparently very hard for french companies to fire people over 26, legally speaking. Companies have to pay fines and all this crap. Which is super-retarded, IMO. So if they are going to make it to where french companies can hire and fire according to marketplace conditions (which they should, IMO), then they should make that apply to EVERYONE and not selectively enforce it against a certain age bracket.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: DoctorJ]
#5451335 - 03/28/06 03:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DoctorJ said:
I think the student protests are more due to the fact that it is apparently very hard for french companies to fire people over 26, legally speaking. Companies have to pay fines and all this crap. Which is super-retarded, IMO. So if they are going to make it to where french companies can hire and fire according to marketplace conditions (which they should, IMO), then they should make that apply to EVERYONE and not selectively enforce it against a certain age bracket.
Couldn't agree with you more.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: afoaf]
#5451528 - 03/28/06 04:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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here's an idea everyone...stick it to the man and quit your job
if your employer enforces that.
the market determines it's own working conditions.
at the very least, I think we can agree that's a better approach
than burning your neighbor's car.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: afoaf]
#5451732 - 03/28/06 05:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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afoaf said:
here's an idea everyone...stick it to the man and quit your job
if your employer enforces that.
the market determines it's own working conditions.
at the very least, I think we can agree that's a better approach
than burning your neighbor's car.
Oui Oui.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: DoctorJ]
#5453836 - 03/29/06 02:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the student protests are more due to the fact that it is apparently very hard for french companies to fire people over 26, legally speaking
Anger is a lot more widespread than just students tho. One third of school teachers walked out, electricity workers, no national newspapers were published. The last figure I saw was 66% of the French population oppose this. They see it as a law rushed through parliament without any debate shifting power to employers.
Personally I think being able to fire someone for no reason for 2 years is a fucking disgrace. You're just going to get the bastards using it as an excuse to keep workers scared, keep wages low and keep working conditions miserable. Which is really what this is all about.
The French also understand that this is just the thin end of the wedge. You let employers get away with this and they'll be wanting more and more. Thank god someone finally has the guts to take a courageous stand against the bastards.
Vive le France!
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: kotik]
#5453919 - 03/29/06 05:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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kotik said:
"The CPE would allow employers to hire and fire workers who are 26 years old and younger any time within their first two years of employment for any reason."
that sounds pretty fucking retarded to me. usually thats a clause in an application, stating that under the first 90 days or whatever.. but written into law saying that if you are under 26, you can be fired at anytime, for any reason.. i can see why students would oppose that.
There are states in America that have a "Free Will Law", that allows employers to fire anyone (regardless of age or length with the company) at will.
Arkansas is one of those states.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: Alex213]
#5453982 - 03/29/06 06:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alex213 said:
Anger is a lot more widespread than just students though. One third of school teachers walked out, electricity workers, no national newspapers were published. The last figure I saw was 66% of the French population oppose this. They see it as a law rushed through parliament without any debate shifting power to employers.
Personally I think being able to fire someone for no reason for 2 years is a fucking disgrace. You're just going to get the bastards using it as an excuse to keep workers scared, keep wages low and keep working conditions miserable. Which is really what this is all about.
The French also understand that this is just the thin end of the wedge. You let employers get away with this and they'll be wanting more and more. Thank god someone finally has the guts to take a courageous stand against the bastards.
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better.
But I say that the anti-CPE movement hides something deeper than just a disagreement with a new law. I mean, its been over 20 years that the government promises to lower the unemployment rate for the people under 26 by making new laws and new contracts, and its been 20 years that it has been raising higher and higher (today i think its something like 23% unemployed).
This movement hides a general dissatisfaction with the system, people have a hard time trusting the government and feel that its power is illegitimate. Just look at how the DeVillepin has become France's prime minister without EVER having been elected!!
Not to mention, the CPE is unconstitutional because it is a cause of discrimination, it only applies to people under 26 years of age.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: afoaf]
#5453986 - 03/29/06 06:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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afoaf said:
the market determines it's own working conditions.
Does economics serve the people, or do people serve economics?
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at the very least, I think we can agree that's a better approach
than burning your neighbor's car.
oh come on now, look beyond what CNN feeds you, the rioters are an extremely small minority of the people who are manifesting.
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I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded
sigh. can't you start a debate without sounding so rudely arrogant?
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: exclusive58]
#5454086 - 03/29/06 09:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How's the food in the French prisons?
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: afoaf]
#5454480 - 03/29/06 11:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The MSM wanted a Civil War sooooo badly in Iraq, but it looks like they will be getting one in France instead.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: Alex213]
#5454660 - 03/29/06 12:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If people would just stop working for and buying from companies we wouldn't have these problems.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: afoaf]
#5454773 - 03/29/06 01:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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An employment contract should be a mutual, consentual agreement between the employer and employee. The employee should be able to quit whenever he or she wants and the employer should be able to terminate the employment whenever he or she wants.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: Redstorm]
#5455387 - 03/29/06 04:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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They're protesting because it's oppressing a class, that being youth. They're protesting over the ANY REASON part, which can include NO REASON, or something like the worker isn't good looking enough, added with the ANY TIME part means they can just cut them like that and whatever that student needs money for is no longer funded. Now maybe it would be fine if it was for everyone, which would make it pretty much legit, but this is like oppression.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: Redstorm]
#5455420 - 03/29/06 04:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Redstorm said:
An employment contract should be a mutual, consentual agreement between the employer and employee. The employee should be able to quit whenever he or she wants and the employer should be able to terminate the employment whenever he or she wants.
I agree 100%. Unless of course there is a written contract. No contract = No gurantee of employment.
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: exclusive58]
#5455600 - 03/29/06 05:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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exclusive58 said:
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afoaf said:
I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded
sigh. can't you start a debate without sounding so rudely arrogant?
Yeah really. He is acting like he's French. 
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Re: I'm pretty sure that France is fucking retarded [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#5457880 - 03/30/06 02:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If people would just stop working for and buying from companies we wouldn't have these problems.
Or if employers were willing to behave with a little fairness.
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