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 I see very little spiritual value in LSD 
#5358648 - 03/02/06 06:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont see LSD as a psychedelic in the same terms as I would see mushrooms or mescaline a psychedelic. Meaning, I dont learn anything after the experience, I just "trip". I see the world skewed, melting walls, and my senses intensified.
But, no deeper value to the experience.
The only things that I learn is what comes from my own subconscious due to the stimulant factors of LSD, making my synapses snap faster, making me think faster.
I've given it a fair chance. I've tried about 10 different types of L, four different families, 6 miscellaneous chemists/sources, about 40 trips (trips, not hits) total. I've studied it with almost as much depth that I've studied mushrooms with their effect on the mind. But all I get from LSD is what I get from a roller coaster - a fun night for sure, I come back with a smile, a relatively safe experience, but not exactly the teacher of a drug that I view other psychedelics as.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5358679 - 03/02/06 06:21 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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then its not the drug for you simple as that. Everyone is different.
What was your highest dose if you dont mind my asking?
Could it be that you have this predisposed idea of LSD and therfore subconciously you wont "let" yourself have that kind of experience?
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5358692 - 03/02/06 06:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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maybe the enviroment you were in wasn't inspirational or envoking enough... next time try a small dosage of lsd with mushrooms or vice versa. never tried it, for i'm not one to combine things like that. but give it a shot anyway. who knows what'll come out of it. 
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5358719 - 03/02/06 06:27 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: lysergicide]
#5358724 - 03/02/06 06:28 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hippyflipping is awesome. I see LSD as a body drug, you can feel it surging through your veins, your body feels alive as never before. Mushrooms are a mind drug for me, the smart man's drug, and by combining them both, I am uniting my mind and body by envoking my spirit.
But "feeling" is not knowledge.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Helge]
#5358734 - 03/02/06 06:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Helge said:
Mescaline... Its the only way to fly.
That I would agree with. I use the Matrix quote all the time as well.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: sui]
#5358758 - 03/02/06 06:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
suimush said:
Could it be that you have this predisposed idea of LSD and therfore subconciously you wont "let" yourself have that kind of experience?
No, I am open minded towards new experiences.
Not a drug for me? Heroin's not a drug for me either, Im just wondering if what Im feeling is universal.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: sui]
#5358808 - 03/02/06 06:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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suimush said:
What was your highest dose if you dont mind my asking?
I've never taken more than 400 mics. Why, does the feeling become totally different if you take a extremely high dose? I've got some Mad Hatters right now, 110 mics a hit, and might try a 5 strip this weekend. You think thats going to make me change my mind?
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: lysergicide]
#5358851 - 03/02/06 06:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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For me LSD is one of the best. I wouldnt put anything past it but ayahuasca.
For me LSD causes some very interesting geometric visuals, though they are not as organic/interesting as mushrooms etc.
This is true but an extreemely high dose of lsd(700+mics) can create visuals and cognative experiences that are very technical. Kind of in the same way as when people say LSD is very prone to making one very self analytical.
I have never experienced time dialation with such extreems as with lsd. I also have never used a drug that makes audio visuals become a matrix composed of thousands of geometrical sounds that you have ZERO control over.
I have never known a drug that inspires your capacity to speak more than lsd.
I do think mushrooms and ayahuasca are far more alien and seperate of my self. Perhapse that is why lsd helps along insights that cannot be seen as clearly or in as realistic of a way on mushrooms etc.
I also have never known a drug that can make two best friends become so over analytical that they feel as one, and each conversation reaches new hights untill you are almost scared by what you have done, almost like you had defied god. Mushrooms would certainly do this, but it was never anything like lsd.
I have tripped over 150 times on different substances, and 70 lsd trips included. Maybe I learned how to work with it, and understood that you cant expect it to do some of the amazing things mushrooms can do. You can expect some pretty amazing things when youre not out to just have a good time with lsd, and when you dont expect the same route to the spiritual/educational aspects of the drug when in comparison to mushrooms or mescaline.
If you dont learn anything during or after the experience, then I just must have no idea what you are talking about.
Edited by stemmer (03/02/06 06:47 PM)
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5358872 - 03/02/06 06:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only reason I don't consider LSD as "spiritual" as shrooms or peyote is because its man-made. If I want a religious experience, I want something that God or whoever made naturally. I kind of consider LSD more of a recreational drug more than anything. Even though I'm sure others will disagree.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5358924 - 03/02/06 06:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've tripped about 150 times as well. About 100 times on mushrooms, 40 on LSD, 5 or 6 times on mescaline, and one divine DMT experience.
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You can expect some pretty amazing things when youre not out to just have a good time with lsd, and when you dont expect the same route to the spiritual/educational aspects of the drug when in comparison to mushrooms or mescaline.
I dont 'expect' anything. I engulf myself in the experience and play it by ear. That experience, as I said before has only made me happy, but that's about where it ends. Am I still going to do it? Sure! It doesnt make me think that much, so I wouldnt mind using it recreationally without becoming delusional from say, habitual mushroom use as I have done before.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: DoorOfPerception]
#5358955 - 03/02/06 07:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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One way I would explain the differences is this:
With tryptamines like mushrooms and ayahuasca, the ideas come at you so quickly and without your intention. It gives you information like a cosmic gift within the confines of the ever so complex human mind.
LSD is very different, complex and like the normal sober mind while hooked up to a supercomputer. A machine that only can show you you every path and you have to take it like a choose your own destiny book(ya know the kind they used to make for kids), but unlike shrooms it will not all of a sudden just drop you off half way, or it wont skip logic in such profound ways only for you to be able to work backwards and forwards.
I am a musician and nothing made me hear the kinds of god like things I could hear on lsd, sounds I did not influence except my vantage point within the matrix of sound. This idea coupled with the heavy time dialation, and the less "mushroom-like" inspired capasity to speak made me come to realizations that helped even my mushroom trips becaome far more increadible than they would have been.
Lsd seemes to give you certain tools that cross over into the mushroom world and you can use them there. But you cant learn the same things without having taken lsd. Of this I am sure. Mushrooms would be increadibly interesting without having done so, dont get me wrong.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5359007 - 03/02/06 07:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
stemmer said:
With tryptamines like mushrooms and ayahuasca, the ideas come at you so quickly and without your intention. It gives you information like a cosmic gift within the confines of the ever so complex human mind.
LSD is very different, complex and like the normal sober mind while hooked up to a supercomputer. A machine that only can show you you every path and you have to take it like a choose your own destiny book(ya know the kind they used to make for kids), but unlike shrooms it will not all of a sudden just drop you off half way, or it wont skip logic in such profound ways only for you to be able to work backwards and forwards.
Complex? Im no chemist, but from my readings, the psilocybin and LSD makeup are very similar.
And I dont feel that mushrooms drop me off halfway, or anywhere in the journey for that matter. It's just that with LSD, while I like making music or Art on it, and certainly like my elevated mood, I dont feel that Im pulling anything out with me. Im not rejecting the drug completely, I guess Im just looking for a word of experience.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5359175 - 03/02/06 07:36 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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stemmer - just thought I'd say I've really enjoyed the last few posts of yours that I have read. Dunno, they just seem more cohereant then they have in the past.
Your posts are typically insightfull/informative - and I enjoy them. But your last few have seemed a bit more together and well thought-out.
I've enjoyed them - thats all
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: kaniz]
#5359241 - 03/02/06 07:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya, I try not to be an ass just for fun anymore, though I always was informative.
Fospher, what I meant by complex was---> visually and cognatively, not chemically.
Plenty of people find lsd to be just as useful as mushrooms in the ways you describe. I would choose to not get to far into the discussion because there is no way for me to tell you that YOU are capable of finding lsd to be just as interesting. They are totally different drugs.
Its interesting really what you said about art. I play the guitar very well, but I cant play very well on shrooms, and certainly cant play a damn thing while on mescaline.
LSD is partly responsible for the fact that I could play very well without ever having a teacher after only a year or so. Of this I am certain. SHrooms would not have worked in the same way for me, for sure. It would take pages to explain why mushrooms(for me) would not have worked as well for that purpose.
Both drugs are better for different reasons.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5359348 - 03/02/06 08:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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you aren't dosing high enough
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
#5359445 - 03/02/06 08:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I donno i dont find LSD that spiritual either. I get tired of visuals very fast and after that all that's left to do is wait till the trip is over. Shrooms seem to be more mellow and magic to me. Each time after trippin on shrooms I analyze parts of the trip and then i just couldnt stop for days, constantly generating an idea that helps me learn about myself or the world. Lsd doesn't have that effect. I have yet to do mescaline and im quite anxious to do that.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
#5359470 - 03/02/06 08:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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its not as natural as say mescaline.... but it is derived from a natural plant. So its still in the same category.
Fospher... what quote were you talking about from the matrix? which one.... and what scene i dont remember?
I think all psychedelics are special in their own way.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
#5359472 - 03/02/06 08:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only reason I don't consider LSD as "spiritual" as shrooms or peyote is because its man-made. If I want a religious experience, I want something that God or whoever made naturally. I kind of consider LSD more of a recreational drug more than anything. Even though I'm sure others will disagree.
I dislike bringing 'god or whoever' into a discussion but, how does it go? "God is everything or else it is nothing"?, a chemical has induced a state of mind, nothing more, nothing less and both psilocin and LSD are chemicals. Just because LSD has not been found to naturally occurring does not make it any less valid. If you have found a spiritual significance in either then I congratulate you. I, as well as many others, find much more depth and significance in LSD but, of course, to each his own. I just believe god has granted us BOTH of these great substances and whatever a person thinks about either is their own opinion. As for myself Id rather have a sheet of quality LSD then 100 kilos of mush. Others opinions will most defiantly very.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: agoutihead]
#5359494 - 03/02/06 08:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
agoutihead said:
Fospher... what quote were you talking about from the matrix? which one.... and what scene i dont remember?
Neo: You ever get that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?
Random guy: All the time...it's called mescaline...it's the only way to fly...!
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