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CubensisCutter
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reccomended casing for a first time caser?
#5281165 - 02/09/06 09:58 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have 4 BRF 1/2 pints that will be fully colonized in about a week and at this point i would much rather case them then put straight intp FC...what caasing mix should i use? i read the casing 101 tek and 1 of the ingredients is a pre-sterilized casing mix but it doesnt give you a specific one. i don not have a PC so i cannot use a casing that is reqiured to go in a PC...can anyone reccomend a fairly simple casing method/casing mix to use please?
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djalexr
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: CubensisCutter]
#5281177 - 02/09/06 10:04 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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i am in exactly the same situation, any advise is much appreciated.
thanks
Alex
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reignman
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: CubensisCutter]
#5281180 - 02/09/06 10:04 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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i tried using vermiculite in a case and so far (5 days) nothings happened.... ive also been looking for a simple casing mix, and was trying to find coco coir but walmart didnt have any.
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thenewguy05
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: reignman]
#5281189 - 02/09/06 10:10 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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personally if i was you i would go with an all vermiculite casing. vermiculite needs no buffer and all you have to do is hydrate it right. sterilize it, sprinkle on a very thin layer and ~"it's good to go"
the pre sterilized casing mix just mean if your useing coco coir and vermiculite or peat and vermiculite or some other mixture. presterile just means sterilize it before you add it to the casing.
Edited by thenewguy05 (02/09/06 10:12 AM)
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HyphalTryptamin
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: reignman]
#5281191 - 02/09/06 10:10 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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You could use straight verm. Take some verm, soak it in water, until it has reached it's maximum water capacity. You should be able to grab a handful of verm and squeeze a few droplets. Put it in a microwave proof container, crack the lid slightly and blast it in the microwave on full power, for 2+2+2 minutes, let cool for a couple of hours. The reason you may not have seen anything is that you have to keep the verm layer moist, and often it is hard to tell the difference between dry and watered verm.
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thenewguy05
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
#5281208 - 02/09/06 10:16 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
HyphalTryptamin said: The reason you may not have seen anything is that you have to keep the verm layer moist, and often it is hard to tell the difference between dry and watered verm.
VERY TRUE!!!
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reignman
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: thenewguy05]
#5281226 - 02/09/06 10:23 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok, ill water it some more then. i also think my layer may be a little thick, but my cakes layer is thick.
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dmcheatw
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: reignman]
#5281243 - 02/09/06 10:26 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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do u want ur casing to be 1/4 the thickness of your substrate layer right?
are there any other options besides vermiculite..? i was liking it until u guys were just saying it was hard to tell if you have the moisture content right when using just verm, since i've never cased b4 i worry i may not get the moisture right ):
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Dr_Demented
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: reignman]
#5281286 - 02/09/06 10:36 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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1. Take 50% peat moss and mix with 50% coarse vermiculite. (by volume) 2. Place in plastic bowl. Add water and mix well. 3. Let sit for 10-15min. for the materials to soak up all water. 4. Pick some mix up and squeeze it. There should only come a couple of drops. 5. Add more water if to little or add more Vermiculite and peat moss if to much. 6. Add some PH buffer. Crushed eggshells or crushed oyster shells for instance. 7. Put some saran wrap or a plastic bag and cover bowl. This is so that not to much moisture evaporates. 8. Place bowl in microwave and do a 10min run on high. 9. Let cool some and mix together to even out moisture in the mix. 10. Do another 10min. run. Let cool with saran wrap/plastic bag covering. 11. Ready to use!
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FooMan
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: CubensisCutter]
#5281307 - 02/09/06 10:41 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you want a REALLY simple casing mix that doesn't need anything but water and sterilization, buy some jiffy mix:
It's already pH adjusted and works good!
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thenewguy05
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: dmcheatw]
#5281347 - 02/09/06 10:56 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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dmcheatw said: do u want ur casing to be 1/4 the thickness of your substrate layer right?
all of my casing layers are about 1/8
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Premedman1
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: thenewguy05]
#5281369 - 02/09/06 11:05 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, IME/IMO it's better to go too thin rather than too thick on a casing layer. Too thick takes forever, suffocates your substrate, and uses up the myc's extra nutes it can be using towards fruiting. I hardly ever go above 1/4 inch.
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ChronicBarry
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: Premedman1]
#5281472 - 02/09/06 11:36 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am also in the same position. I was looking into the Jiffy Mix method as well. On eBay they have Jiffy Soil Mix Pellets and I was wondering if that's the same thing. Also, if I'm using cakes, should i use them whole, cut them in half, or crumble them?
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thenewguy05
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: ChronicBarry]
#5281487 - 02/09/06 11:44 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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that stuff is jiffy brand jiffy mix. it's brand name. it's the same.
crumbleing makes more pieces for the mycelium to take hold of the new substrate.
good luck on the grow.
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FooMan
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: ChronicBarry]
#5282199 - 02/09/06 03:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The directions say to add water and it turns to soil, so I'm assuming that it's the same thing, but in pellet form.
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jisk8
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: FooMan]
#5282224 - 02/09/06 03:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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FooManShroom said: If you want a REALLY simple casing mix that doesn't need anything but water and sterilization, buy some jiffy mix:
It's already pH adjusted and works good!
Can you tell me if the shrooms growing with the jiffy mix are potent? I'm pretty sure that its less potent than shrooms growing on h/poo.
Thanks
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Dr_Demented
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: jisk8]
#5284684 - 02/10/06 05:44 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Jiffy mix is just a casing layer, not a substrate. The casing layer should not contain any nutrients, and is just added for higher yields and to support fruiting.
If you were to spawn to h/poo you still add a casing layer......
/Dr.
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jisk8
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: Dr_Demented]
#5284744 - 02/10/06 06:19 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Dr_Demented said: The Jiffy mix is just a casing layer, not a substrate. The casing layer should not contain any nutrients, and is just added for higher yields and to support fruiting.
If you were to spawn to h/poo you still add a casing layer......
/Dr.
Oh ok,I was thinking that he take the jiffy mix to use like the 50/50 tek.Yea ok, for a casing layer it should be good.
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Dr_Demented
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Re: reccomended casing for a first time caser? [Re: jisk8]
#5284762 - 02/10/06 06:41 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The 50/50 tek IS a casing layer.....
Peatmoss or Coco coir and Vermiculite, 50% of each. The 50/50 tek.
/Dr.
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