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 BlueCoyote
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 Re: Kids  [Re: Veritas]
#4883851 - 11/02/05 03:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, somethings like that, exactly. And more...
Hey, they stem from two cells, and develop to 'us' ! What could there be more interesting ? Their developement, their regardings of 'life',...
..in short, their spiritual closeness to the 'creator'/universe/tao/..., which we tend to loose and most will regain again before death...
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 Icelander
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I hear you talkin. But I don't see anyone (hardly anyone) really getting in touch with all these fine things you're talking about. In fact they are doing their darndest to just make it through parenting without creating criminals or zombies. Just like they are.  I mean really now. Most parents learn almost nothing from their children and the children learn all about how rotton things are when you're adult.  98% of people should never have children. Or dogs. 
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Edited by Icelander (11/02/05 03:53 PM)
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BlueCoyote
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That's why I talk. Perhaps people can reconsider...
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Icelander
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Well if you want good odds for success, you should do your talking, working at convincing all your friends to forgo the child making. Now that could have a very positive effect on the world. Depending on how good a salesman you are. I myself don't have too much luck. But never say die.
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"People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
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Huehuecoyotl
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Were I to have understood the sacrifice I would never have done it...but I was young and stupid. Now that it is nearly a done deal with raising them I am glad I did...but don't ever think I will go through this again..hell no.
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BlueCoyote
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Hue, Ice, hehe, yes, I talk to those without children..
That pursuit can only be done while children are childdren... and so, this can (re)connect you a life long to your childs and the spirit of 'Tao'.
I must admit, that I talk out of pure understanding and I did not have the experience fully on myself... Only regardings and consideriations did let me come to that point.
That is the challenge. To keep that, while raising childs, I think.
edit: spelling
Edited by BlueCoyote (11/02/05 04:52 PM)
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the thing about kids is, they get soooo much from their parents, by which i mean they are influenced so strongly by the behaviour and thoughts of their parents. obviously.,.. everyone knows this. But they dont seem to make the obvious connection that that means they should be spending years perfecting themselves mentally, physically, emotionally, until they are really and truly happy healthy people.
Instead they go, well i kind of fucked up, but i can make my kids do better! but thats not how it works. thats how i see it anyways. Perfect yourself before you think about trying to raise kids...
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Icelander
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 Or at least make some sort of attempt and have a few successes.
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"People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
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BlueCoyote
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Or at least make some sort of attempt and have a few successes.
But not nescessarily in that way, their parents would think about that
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"People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
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lancifer
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"guurgggllee"..points>>>
"eyes, light"
first words before 'speaking per se'.
What's this...comfrey
what's that...fig
what's this thing over here...kiwi
what's this one in here...'brugmansia' yuck
touches the wood stove at 2 ...'hot'
At 3
sitting on a beach in Mexico, stung badly by a scorpion, done crying in 2 minutes. My toe hurts, giggle, giggle.
what's that tree? what's that plant? waking up upon his parents arrival from an all night 'rave'...lets play! Sounded good to me and i never quit.
Hugging his friends, my ex-partners calling and asking for them to come over for the week? These are the only kids I can spend time with let alone babysit for a night.
Having kids is like having a devotional calling. Your either set up to do it or not, the call comes or it does not.
I don't separate my time, my 4-5 year old still sleeps with his parents (oh hear we go...) and we try as best we can to not awaken him during sex. it adds a dimension of finese to love making if you have to restrain it, or do it outside of your room! At another time!
It's 8:30 and I know where this kid is at anyhow, hanging out with me and wondering when i'm going to get of the 'puter.
If they are a bother, chances are the parents made them that way. Today was the first sunny day in a long time, my son was out weeding even while I was having a beer break! Not bad hey...My daughter is in Waldorf right now and amuses us to no end with tales from the Icelandic, songs of the woods and a beautiful smile.
But, you have to connect and focus on your children. You can't send them elsewhere for morality. You can't expect them to learn how to learn at school. Kids are a reflection of their parents and since alot of folk seem to be pharmie-dependent, skittish fearmongers...the kids reflect it.
lancifer
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Now why did ya have to go and dig up the past?
I actually ended up taking the medicine on this one.
Results.
Those kids and Veritas now live with me in my home (our home now). And I can see some of what makes kids so much fun to be around.
As long as a few times a year I can head into the high desert with me doggie for a solo walkabout and vision quest, and at least once each day I head up into the mountain behind my house and walk for an hour solo with my dog. It's working out well.
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"People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
- John Baines
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MushmanTheManic
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(Reply to orginal post.)
While, being the youngster I am, I can't claim I've raised any kids, I think I can understand the joys that come with it. I think raising a kid would be very fulfilling! What is a more constructive action than raising the next generation? I consider myself a humanist (my principle concern is humans) and I would like humanity to have as many joys and as few sufferings as possible. Whenever I help someone, it genuinely makes me feel better. (I know that must sound cliche.) Feeling that I've helped contribute another beneficial member to society sounds quite rewarding. Not to mention, my partner and I get to take all the credit for creating and raising this new life!
We come and go, but our actions last for generations... and our genes last even longer.
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Well many are called and few are chosen so feel blessed but be firm!
Your time is your own, they are old enough. But be loving at the same time and open to their needs (the young one is too young for wants unless he's a tv kid), they are the needs of all those who have gotten us here. Imagine what an Iceager would think of the flabby folk we call human now!
Find out what they want to know and learn it with them if they can't learn it elsewhere. Gettin'em stoked on some new thing they are not ever going to get at public school will make you seem awesome (I don't know if you are awesome or not!). It will also give you more free time with your lady.
There is a distinct parallel between time spent with young kids in the beginning to free time later on. Teach them to ground themselves and you will be much better off later. Read the "continuum Concept' (google it, its about 13.00) it is relevant for kids of all ages. It will lighten your load to know some simple tek to make a smooth transition.
lancifer
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Icelander
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Quote:
MushmanTheManic said:
(Reply to orginal post.)
While, being the youngster I am, I can't claim I've raised any kids, I think I can understand the joys that come with it. I think raising a kid would be very fulfilling! What is a more constructive action than raising the next generation? I consider myself a humanist (my principle concern is humans) and I would like humanity to have as many joys and as few sufferings as possible. Whenever I help someone, it genuinely makes me feel better. (I know that must sound cliche.) Feeling that I've helped contribute another beneficial member to society sounds quite rewarding. Not to mention, my partner and I get to take all the credit for creating and raising this new life!
We come and go, but our actions last for generations... and our genes last even longer.
While you're busy understanding the joys that come with kids you need to consider the costs. You are raising them (maybe) in a culture that determines most of your actions. Working full time for the man and trying to have kids and a life of your own can be a little rough. I know many (parents) who had a change of heart once they realized that they didn't know the first thing about parenting and that they were so dysfunctional that they needed re parenting themselves. Guess who suffers? (the kids).
So you need to look at all the angles.
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"People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
- John Baines
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Icelander
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Quote:
lancifer said:
Well many are called and few are chosen so feel blessed but be firm!
Your time is your own, they are old enough. But be loving at the same time and open to their needs (the young one is too young for wants unless he's a TV kid), they are the needs of all those who have gotten us here. Imagine what an Iceager would think of the flabby folk we call human now!
Find out what they want to know and learn it with them if they can't learn it elsewhere. Gettin'em stoked on some new thing they are not ever going to get at public school will make you seem awesome (I don't know if you are awesome or not!). It will also give you more free time with your lady.
There is a distinct parallel between time spent with young kids in the beginning to free time later on. Teach them to ground themselves and you will be much better off later. Read the "continuum Concept' (google it, its about 13.00) it is relevant for kids of all ages. It will lighten your load to know some simple tek to make a smooth transition.
lancifer
Oh I'm firm, don't worry. I'm an ex dog trainer. Firm and loving that's what I strive for.
It is with great sadness that I see the children of today spending so much time with technology. (We do not allow TV for any of us but there is the computer and gameboy etc.) I grew up playing sandlot ball in the empty lots and woods of Michigan. We played outside all day when we could. All my life I have been out doors. And being physically in shape has been a priority. At 52 I am in better shape than most of the people I work with in their 20s.
But these children are living in a world where the corner lot and backyard woods are a thing of the past. I am not going to stand in their way. The will have to figure things out just like I did.
Fortunately Veritas is an awesome Mother. She was home schooled and spent her childhood in nature. Psychologist by nature she has emotionally stabilized herself using rational emotive therapy. She is happy. But she also loves the culture and is one of the smartest people I have ever met. (she leaves me in the dust) Max at 5 is smarter than some 10 year olds I know.(he even corrects my grammar ) He may turn out to be an outdoor boy. Kyle doesn't like the woods and his gameboy and school are his life. I came in late to this picture and Kyle is formed and has his goals. I see scientist and or author in his future.
I think it will all be exactly what it's supposed to be in the end. Taoist that I am.
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"People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
- John Baines
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