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 MarkostheGnostic
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 Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul  [Re: Diploid]
#5177673 - 01/13/06 03:37 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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"You ain't gonna learn what you don't wanna know..."
Calling it the way I see it doesn't impinge on my spiritual development, but snotty little remarks is clear evidence of your 'personality' development. If 'soul' isn't evident to you, you sure don't have anything relevant to say about it. You've made remarks like this in the past - still confusing personality with spirituality. It too would be obnoxious if it weren't simply born of ignorance of the distinction. Hey, you're writing to a 'person' here, not to 'soul.' Does this help?
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CosmicJoke
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 Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5178204 - 01/13/06 07:04 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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ya know that expression "don't go there"? ol' CJ of late has been learning to do just that -- not go there 
but whether right or wrong, i did look forward to seeing you cut into him after his last one. 
blessings, CJ
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You can move your thoughts around your skull, but they can't leave your brain when you're stuck in the lull of a clone-men dance. You're a glance in the ball. That's all.
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lwo
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5178458 - 01/13/06 08:37 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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still confusing personality with spirituality.
This is always the problem, the struggle isn't it?
We all confuse that stuff man.
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If 'soul' isn't evident to you, you sure don't have anything relevant to say about it.
The best way to win is just clob the other guy over the head
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: CosmicJoke]
#5178523 - 01/13/06 08:56 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, I didn't think of it as cutting into him, and there is no winner or loser in this kind of interaction. I attempted to explain something and I got insulted for the attempt. That says something about both of our personalities, but I believe, as you do, that the personality changes when it is open to and fed by the transcendental. The personality develops 'attributes' like patience, forgiveness, helpfulness, etc. That does not mean some insipidly passive condition taken for 'enlightenment' by someone who fights tooth-and-nail against inner demons such as fear of weakness. Those demons turned outward become nasty, contemptuous, 'biting' sarcasm. My own demons are on a much shorter leash, and I don't sic 'em on others, but they will nip at ya if you threaten them.
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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Sauton - Know Thyself
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: lwo]
#5178534 - 01/13/06 09:02 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't believe in the Orishas and L'wa of Santeria and Voudou, but I've been to the place of their origin in Nigeria, have sought to learn about them and have taught about them for a class. It's about knowledge and it's about respect of others - both of which require a modicum of modesty.
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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Sauton - Know Thyself
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 Diploid
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 Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5178541 - 01/13/06 09:04 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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someone who fights tooth-and-nail against inner demons such as fear of weakness.
You've got me all figured out, eh Markos? And you call me arrogant. 
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Wanna hear something depressing? One out of four Shroomerites wants to lock me in a government cage for using a substance they don't like.
Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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lwo
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5178559 - 01/13/06 09:10 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wasn't doubting your stance or anything.
Unfortunately some instances this disagreement gets solved by putting dense objects swiftly through body parts.
If only we could hook up into a consciousness computer and play mortal combat with our minds
I almost did myself I think.. I was in someones mind and all over the place and all of time at the same time.
NO soul? that's impossible... everyones soul starts the same either as a pool of energy from eons ago waiting to be born and explode into thought, or, a tiny tadpole looking thing of sperm
Either way soul is not up for debate!
Did y'all see 21 grams? oh my god this movie proves the soul weighs 21 grams!( sarcasm)
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: Diploid]
#5178564 - 01/13/06 09:10 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: lwo]
#5178571 - 01/13/06 09:12 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Either way soul is not up for debate!
Everything is up for debate, unless your mind is tightly shut.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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lwo
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: Icelander]
#5178575 - 01/13/06 09:13 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I prefer just to shut my mouth instead
Especially when the other guy is a large Russian man
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Icelander
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: lwo]
#5178586 - 01/13/06 09:17 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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GulGen
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: Diploid]
#5178587 - 01/13/06 09:18 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Swami said (in another thread):
Most everyone here is above the need for drama.
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CosmicJoke
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5178850 - 01/13/06 11:37 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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my friend benjamin, who was actually by far the wisest and most spiritual of us roommates, once inserted my housemate's drew's name into the poetry of 'The Psychedelic Experience' (NYE 2000, 200ug LSD & 3.5g mushrooms per person), as it was apparent to the rest of us that he was heading straight into a bad trip -his body was shaking and quaking. his last coherent words were quite angry and cynical - "how'd MY name get into that book?" i had to wrestle and pin him down to stop him from hurting himself or somebody else as he violently threw things and screamed racist and homophobic comments. worse than the biting cynicism, he LITERALLY bit me! ben pulled me down into the basement to form a strategy, as we realized that he was suffering massive ego delusions that could carry on for hours and hours. to no avail, i read him BE HERE NOW as he carried on like a lunatic for hours and hours. in retrospect, maybe we should have turned off McLaughlin's Shakti and broke out the Atari and put on some They Might Be Giants. after all, we're kids from the 80's and those were our roots. he had only been living with us for a week... i wish i had been able to give him a hug, made him feel more like he belonged that week. i definately wish i hadn't tried to stear him towards realizing the existance of soul. i swear that trip set into motion this hostile, defensive, know it all attitude we had to put up with for the rest of the school year.
does this tangent make any sense?
blessings, CJ
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You can move your thoughts around your skull, but they can't leave your brain when you're stuck in the lull of a clone-men dance. You're a glance in the ball. That's all.
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Ped
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: CosmicJoke]
#5179945 - 01/14/06 10:53 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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>> Deep in the center of the brain is a structure called the Corpus Callosum. This is the Ethernet connection between the two sides of the brain and its job is to integrates the two hemispheres into one unit of personality, memory, and stimulus/response behavior
To say that the "job" of the Corups Callosum is to integrate the two hemispheres into one unit of "personality, memory and stimulous/response behavior" is a bit of a leap. The only follow-up information you provided dealt with anomalies in stimulus/response behavior and the memory assigned to such functions. Regardless, I won't deny anything science has told us about the brain and it's role in making up our personhood.
>> I see two possible reasons for the observed behavior.
>> 1. Humans each posses two entirely independent 'souls'. This is evidenced by the observed 'hand dueling' and the formation of memories by one hemisphere that the other is unaware of.
>> 2. The human brain is a v-e-r-y impressive pattern processing machine and the 'soul' is a euphemism invented by those who have trouble coming to terms with the truth that when we die, we cease to exist.
This isn't really fair. Your first conclusion is presented as an absurdity, and your second conclusion implies that only the weak minded would entertain it as plausible.
It's alwasy been quite clear that the brain is the organ associated with the behavior of an organism. We do not say that the heart or stomach have anything to do with how we think and perceive. We have known for thousands of years that it's the brain which is responsible for this. What you've presented with this thread says nothing beyond this.
What I would suggest is that the brain itself arose as the effect of numerous causes, many of which have their roots in the karmic inclinations imprinted on the formless, clear continuum of mind which carries on without beginning or end. It's this mind, with it's tendencies toward self-concretization, that has aggregated itself in to what we understand as solid, physical form. There is no dualism here. The mind and the reality perceived by mind, and in this context the brain, are seen as one entity, seperable but not distinct.
It is neither helpful nor especially informed to imply weakness in those who reject the idea that we simply cease at the death time. There are many other equally valid notions as this. There is no evidence beyond the circumstantial to prove that the sum of a person's biology makes up the whole of their existence. At the same time, this idea is not disprovable. In the same way, there is no evidence beyond the circumstantial to prove the existence of a soul, or karma, or reincarnation, etc. At the same time, none of these ideas are disprovable. Such contemplations are by their very nature ungraspable.
The way to find answers to these questions is accept that we do not have the knowledge, to cease our hot-blooded and hyper-rationalist investigation, and, through maintaining an alert and skeptical mind, to consider our awareness of our own experience against the interpretations of that experience transmitted by those in whom we have an amount of faith, be them scientists, scholars, religious or spiritual leaders.
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: Split Brain Syndrome & More Evidence There Is No Soul [Re: Diploid]
#5180432 - 01/14/06 01:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, not ALL figured out. That doesn't happen unless two people are in an empathic relationship and wish to know one other. Analysis is a one-way street with analysts requiring transparency of their analysands while intentionally remaining opaque themselves. I try to be transparent even when I analyze. No need need to wax paranoid though - analyzing someone is not the same as analizing someone! Recognizing common psychological patterns does not make one any more arrogant than a chess player who recognizes classic maneuvers. I don't play chess and see nothing of the actual or potential. All I see are little horse heads and castle towers and stuff. I DO however believe that chess masters see all kinds of patterns (with names yet) and potential outcomes, and I am fairly awed by that.
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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Sauton - Know Thyself
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