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 Nexus555
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 The debate of religion 
#5172325 - 01/12/06 04:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you guys think the future of religion is? In my opinion, I believe that religion is beginning to hit a decline, and will eventually be proven false by science.
Science. This is something that many religious people disagree with. The other day I was with my girlfriend at her sister's house. We were watching the discovery channel and they showed a skull of a "Ape Man." This skull obviously was not that of a human nor an ape. You could not stand this skull next to a human skull and rationalize that it was a human. The shape was so obvious to be inbetween that of a human and an Ape. However my girlfriend's sister would make certain statements like "How do they really know what the face looked liked?" or tried other ways to rationalize it with religion.
Evolution has not yet been proven, but is SO easy to see every day that it's sad that people deny it. Why are some of the animals that live in austrialia and the surrounding islands so exotic? Is it because God made these certain creatures so much different than other creatures around the earth? Are is it the obvious geology of the land, considering that the islands have been split from the main continent millions of years ago and evolution therefore had to take different measures for survival....
Also the age of the earth is much greater than 10,000 years. This is so apparent. With the bones of millions and billions of years worth of animals and cells is it not obvious enough? Another easy clue would be the continents themselves. It is so obvious that they were once connected. Any kid will notice the matching shapes of the split continents.
The list continues. The bible itself is scientifically outdated and invalid in many cases. Like the "and the Sun stood still..." This line comes from the early beliefs that the Earth was the center of the universe, and the sun (including every other planet, star, everything.) revolved around the Earth. Now we know that the earth, including the other 8 (or 9 whatever) planets revolve around the sun. And the sun doesn't move in the sky, it's the Earth's spin that causes night and day.
There is more. Any Christians that are reading now, do you believe that God is all-knowing? Does he know all of the past, present and the future of EVERY living atom? Of course he does, you will say. Well explain to me how he could not see Lucifier becoming deviant and evil? Why didn't God just not make Lucifier in the beginning, since obviously he knew what he would become and how he would corrupt his very image. Please explain this.
Another point that I would like to make is denying the sciences of the universe. One misconception religious people have is that science "thinks it knows everything." Well actually, to begin with, science knows very little about our surrounding universe. However, we try our best to discover as much as we can through the means of math and extensive studies.
Now moving to something like the Bing Bang Theory. This theory can already be proven one way, and that is that the distance between any 2 points in the universe can be measured, and the distance will become greater over time. Hmm why is that? Also, the further into space the Hubble takes pictures, the more cultered the stars are. I mean, it's obvious enough that if objects are moving at a particular rate, well first off, something has to cause this movement.
Here are my opinions on the creation of the universe. Everything in this universe has a cycle. There are millions of different cycles. First of all, let's look at the universal cycle. There are Stars, these are spheres of various gases formed by gases nebulas and gravitational attraction. Planets sometimes rotates around these stars, which in turn moons and other objects may rotate around planets and/or the star. The collection of a Star(s) and planet(s) is called a solar system. A single star and/or a solar system rotates around other stars and solar systems, and as a galaxy, billions of stars and various objects rotate with the galaxy, which in turn rotates around OTHER galaxies.
We all know the basic of space. I personally find it weird how everything is born, then dies. Including stars. And once a star dies, what happens? You guessed it, it becomes a black hole eventually and sucks all matter including light into it's vortex.
Now we know through conservation of mass and energy that NOTHING can be completely destroyed right? Well where does this EXTEMELY compressed mixture of mass, energy, light and who knows what else go? This is where my theory comes into place. The bing bang happened when the universe was extremely compacted. This seems very much like the core of a black hole. How come the UNIVERSE itself cannot have a cycle just like EVERY SINGLE THING IN THIS UNIVERSE DOES.
This would explain both sides. Number 1 how in the hell did this universe be created and number 2 how did everything get so compacted and explode?
I know this seems far fetched, and you will not find this in science books. This is my personal opinions. But who really knows? There could be alternate deminsions and universes that we do not know of, that were created just like ours.
Edited by Nexus555 (01/12/06 04:07 PM)
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 Re: The debate of religion [Re: Nexus555]
#5172332 - 01/12/06 04:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nexus555 said:
What do you guys think the future of religion is? In my opinion, I believe that religion is beginning to hit a decline, and will eventually be proven false by science.
Without reading the rest of your post (yet) I am already itching to respond to this particular bit.
Religions can't be proven false, and they can't be proven true either.
Religion is a belief, and a belief is an opinion, and there is no central truth to all of existence except the is-ness of existence itself.
Science will do nothing to religion. In fact, the opposition between science and religion is stupid as all hell. Science should BE religion, they should be intertwined, we shouldn't be afraid to merge spirituality with chemistry.
That's kinda what LSD is to me, the ultimate meeting of science and religion.
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Re: The debate of religion [Re: Nexus555]
#5172441 - 01/12/06 04:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. This thread should be moved to Spirituality and Philosophy.
2. There are a lot of logical fallacies in your post.
Edited by RandalFlagg (01/12/06 04:40 PM)
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Re: The debate of religion [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5172536 - 01/12/06 05:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Without religion, humanity would cease to exist. That's all I'm gonna throw out there for this because these debates are fucking stupid.
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Re: The debate of religion [Re: Nexus555]
#5172634 - 01/12/06 05:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"The list continues. The bible itself is scientifically outdated and invalid in many cases. Like the "and the Sun stood still..." This line comes from the early beliefs that the Earth was the center of the universe, and the sun (including every other planet, star, everything.) revolved around the Earth. Now we know that the earth, including the other 8 (or 9 whatever) planets revolve around the sun. And the sun doesn't move in the sky, it's the Earth's spin that causes night and day."
Check out the book of Enoch (from the Apocrypha - it's not in your king james)
Also... Is all of existence expanding or shrinking? When all of existence is moving, what can be used as a point of reference? When two objects are pushed together there is still space in between. If swallowed by a black hole... would everything still be proportionate... Now take that, and how do you know everything isn't already condensed within a blackhole?
Everything/Nothing
I'm not debating you... I just wanted to offer up some ideas to kick around.
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Re: The debate of religion [Re: Cowgold]
#5172767 - 01/12/06 06:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is all of existence expanding or shrinking?
Interesting question. I think this is the way most scientists have it, and it makes little logical sense. In order for our universe to expand or contract, there has to be something external to the universe in order to expand into. Logically, I don't see how it it could expand relative to itself.
Perhaps galaxies are simply spreading apart in an infinity at a certain velocity. More realistically though, I think there's a multiverse, and we are but one of an enormous, if not infinite number of other universes.
Also, I think most scientists don't really consider there to be much of a gap between science and religion, as they generally consider religion largely explained by science or they view religion as a triviality, a byproduct of a slightly primitive society.
Personally I think that the universe, the multiverse, whatever it doesn't matter; everything we ever experience and can dream of experiencing is God. God is the very fabric of everything and nothing. I can't explain anymore as one cannot explain the inexplicable.
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Re: The debate of religion [Re: Nexus555]
#5172948 - 01/12/06 06:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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also I think you'll find some interest in this article...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox
Pretty damn interesting article if you asked me.
Why would a god create reality with a fixed existence anyway? Ever played a game called I Win? Iit's no fun, and I would think a god would have a little more personality than that.
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Re: The debate of religion [Re: Nexus555]
#5172968 - 01/12/06 06:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should ask this question here.
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