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 Phred
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 Re: Pathological Egocentricity  [Re: Swami]
#5051235 - 12/12/05 04:36 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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False. The issue of why a perma-ban for posting a Vernon Howard quote has NEVER been dealt with.
False. It has been dealt with to the satisfaction of the ones who run this website. The fact that it hasn't been dealt with to your satisfaction is the reason I used the phrase "Pot. Kettle. Black," and why I find your choice of thread title so amusing.
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The reason for a perma-ban for posting a Vernon Howard quote has NEVER been publicly explained. Search high and low and you will find nothing.
False. The reason has been given. It's just that you don't find the reason acceptable. The fact that the reason is not acceptable to you is the reason I used the phrase "Pot. Kettle. Black," and why I find your choice of thread title so amusing.
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Yet "control' is used in lieu of communication with me.
Not "in lieu of" but "once communication proved fruitless". I must point out the two are not synonymous.
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Note to readers: for all his blather, Phred STILL failed to address how one person's irritation healthily equates to the desires of all of it's members or logically equates to my dislike for this site.
Notice how Swami (once again illustrating handily his own use of egotistical projection against those with whom he disagrees) attempts to misrepresent the few members who support his complaint with the vastly larger number of members who are either unaware of it, don't give a damn about it, or agree with management's handling of it.
Notice also his stubborn insistence (yet another indication of a deeply troubled mind caught in illusion and warped by out-of-control emotions) that Ythan's eminently logical suggestion regarding Swami's problems with The Shroomery somehow suggests Swami "dislikes" the site (although to be fair to Swami, some progress appears to have been made here -- he no longer claims Ythan says he hates the site).
Phred
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 redgreenvines
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5051250 - 12/12/05 04:53 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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reality tv has never been this good
(not that that is a good thing)
but can pathological and egocentricity be found together in any respectible text
- that part you must of made up.
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Swami
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Phred]
#5051296 - 12/12/05 05:41 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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False. It has been dealt with to the satisfaction of the ones who run this website.
The ones making the decisions are satisfied with their decisions. That is very deep.
The fact that it hasn't been dealt with to your satisfaction is the reason I used the phrase "Pot. Kettle. Black,"...
You are correct. Not be given any reason to contest makes it difficult to find satisfaction.
The following is the EXACT damaging thread that makes Phred laugh and the admins and mods spin out of control in such horror that they MUST protect the members from psychological damage:
Egregious Swami post link
Vernon Howard's
SECRETS OF LIFE (R)
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"By eliminating the sheep in himself, a man gives the psychic
wolves nothing to prey on."
Here is Wiccan's idea of 'acceptibility': You're getting an official warning for yet another off-topic post. Almost all your posts here are non-spiritual statements - continue along this line and you might well be banned from this Spirituality forum.
Almost all? Yes, Wiccan has read and evaluated almost all of my nearly 15,000 posts and determined the vast majority to be out of order. 
Phred appears to agree that this posting was out-of-bounds and that quoting a well-accepted spiritual teacher is grounds for perma-banning. There was NO rule violation. None! Not much more to say after that. Denial and obsfucation is not communication.
Not "in lieu of" but "once communication proved fruitless".
There was no clarification nor any attempt at to explain this ridiculous action. Because it could not be justified, there was suppression at every step.
The usual paragraph after paragraph of diversion from you. Disliking an unjust action cannot be extrapolated any further than disliking an unjust action. If your president/leader makes a decision that you don't agree with, do you suddenly dislike the whole country? Of course not! Yet that is the type of position that you are backing.
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Edited by Swami (12/12/05 05:56 AM)
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Swami
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but can pathological and egocentricity be found together in any respectible text ]
If one believes that a contrary opinion MUST be equally offensive to everyone else, that goes beyond mere egocenticity. Perhaps you have a better clinical description.
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5051309 - 12/12/05 05:53 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doesn't look like you broke any rules. They just don't like you.
Whats wrong with posting an interesting quote hoping that people will discuss it?
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Swami
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: barfightlard]
#5051322 - 12/12/05 06:05 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Exactly. I get and read Vernon Howard's quotes daily in my mailbox to reflect on the wisdom contained as do many others.
To subscribe, send a blank message to [Email]SecretsofLife-on@mail-list.com[/Email] (The service is free and unobtrusive.)
I forgot to add in something 'relevant' like crop circles or UFOs rather than an idea that might ACTUALLY help people to grow. Seems that is too revolutionary.
Interesting that these same people generally decry drug prohibition, but idea prohibition is acceptable.
As one staff member succinctly put it, "We are all one; except for you." 
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JacquesCousteau
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5051363 - 12/12/05 06:38 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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So Swam.. I gotta ask... after all this, what do you expect to gain from the situation? The administration has made it clear that they aren't going to bend to your will just because you shake your big mean stick at them.
So what do you expect to come of this? When does the drama reach it's climax and finally subside? And please don't say "when the rules change", because what if the rules WON'T change? Will you just drag this on forever?
Have you never run into obstacles in life that cannot be dealt with through force? Have you never found the beneficial grace of acceptance, or the mental peace offered through such paths? Is mental peace not more important than proving yourself right?
Are the masses, who you've so keenly worked to turn against the administration, supposed to rally in support of you until you lead them to the promised land of some other forum where YOU won't oppress them like the administration here has?
You know as well as I know that I'm new to the team and that I therefore have no strong ties or affiliations yet. Further, you know that I had nothing to do with any of the decision making leading up to this dispute.
Therefore I ask these questions not as a member of the moderation team, but as a long time poster who simply sees no beneficial gains being made on your part.
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Swami
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It seems you are not an ardent student of history. What do you think happens when the rules of law are totally disregarded for one person (or group) and the majority who are unaffected remain silent?
Does that not encourage futher transgression or do you think it just automatically stops there?
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5051400 - 12/12/05 07:08 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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What makes you think I'm going to answer your questions if you won't take the time to answer mine? 
P.S. To be quite frank, you're taking this waaaay too seriously. This is a privately run message board system, not a dictatorship threatening your livelihood. While I see your point, I think it is completely out of place given the context.
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Swami
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The administration has made it clear that they aren't going to bend to your will...
My will? I did not create the rules.
So what do you expect to come of this? When does the drama reach it's climax and finally subside?
When clear, concise reasons are given. ALL of the drama last year and this has been because there was no answers at all. I did not create the drama. There was NO Swama-drama in the many years before the unjust bans, now was there?
Have you never run into obstacles in life that cannot be dealt with through force?
What force has been applied here by me? None!
Have you never found the beneficial grace of acceptance, or the mental peace offered through such paths?
Oppressed peoples should cowardly accept their suppression as some sort of Zen statement?
Are the masses, who you've so keenly worked to turn against the administration...
Huh? Turn against? All I want is honesty, not a coup.
You know as well as I know that I'm new to the team and that I therefore have no strong ties or affiliations yet.
You have been here for years and know perfectly well what's going on.
but as a long time poster who simply sees no beneficial gains being made on your part.
What beneficial gains has the staff made by dishonesty and suppression other than dividing the members? That is the real question. Have they stopped a maniac from corrupting tender minds or just displayed pettiness?
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5051445 - 12/12/05 07:41 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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so are you a victim, or an activist?
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5051475 - 12/12/05 07:57 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Swami said:
It seems you are not an ardent student of history. What do you think happens when the rules of law are totally disregarded for one person (or group) and the majority who are unaffected remain silent?
Does that not encourage futher transgression or do you think it just automatically stops there?
 Got to agree with you here. But one must pick ones battles, knowing in the end resistance is futile. Trailing clouds of Glory as we spirial down to smash against the rocks of reality. 
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5051525 - 12/12/05 08:19 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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To subscribe, send a blank message to SecretsofLife-on@mail-list.com (The service is free and unobtrusive.)
Thank you for the link.
"His warmth and refreshing sense of humor made him a delightful subject for interviews, talk shows and articles. In 1983 Michael Benner of station KLOS in Los Angeles, California said, ?Vernon Howard is one of the most powerful speakers I have ever interviewed. He has an uncanny ability to cut through the fluff and puff and jolt people into seeing who they really are. At times humorous and gentle, at other times demanding and forceful. Vernon Howard holds the record for generating responses to our KLOS talk shows. Not everyone likes his message, but I can?t imagine anyone turning him off.?"
Sounds like a wise man.
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5052312 - 12/12/05 12:16 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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resistance is futile...
(I may add:)
...as long as you don't present any counterconcepts.
(I don't know if that is 'on' something, but I don't like 'internals' diskussed here)
swamster: I welcome you on the other side of the river. Now let's see, if this forum will hold what it promises, right ?
Keep the rules primary, and the mods secondary. Not worth any effort, 'cause they will show in thematical challenges, not personal analysis.
good to see you again ! 
edit:(Hey man, you are not sociopath, you are sociophil !  )
Edited by BlueCoyote (12/12/05 12:29 PM)
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Swami
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Icelander]
#5052782 - 12/12/05 01:50 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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But one must pick ones battles, knowing in the end resistance is futile. Trailing clouds of Glory as we spirial down to smash against the rocks of reality.
MLK knew he was likely to be killed. If you knew him before his death would you have applauded his efforts or encouraged him to 'go along'?
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5053166 - 12/12/05 02:43 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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i would have encouraged him to do what he wanted to do. 
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Icelander]
#5053184 - 12/12/05 02:47 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can we not be "Trailing clouds of Glory as we spiral down to land gently on the goose-down pile of reality"? 
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5053275 - 12/12/05 03:05 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think we should create a new forum for Swami to put his threads complaining about the mods. That and I think Swami and myself should BE mods. Swami, honey, you snore when you sleep.
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Ped]
#5053513 - 12/12/05 04:04 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Ped]
#5057020 - 12/13/05 10:57 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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'Challenge the Swami ' - forum
Where does it lead, from where does it come ?
Raise above P&S, raise above your fears and desires.
So, lead the challenge or you will be leaded !
Face the true and only...... SWAMI
Edited by BlueCoyote (12/13/05 11:03 AM)
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