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 Swami
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 Pathological Egocentricity
#5047910 - 12/11/05 10:54 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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In my most recent banning of last week here is what the note said:
Ban details: I'm sick of you... If you have so many damn problems with the Shroomery then just go away.
This Moderator believes that because I challenge his/her authority when given no reason for a ban (which creates another ban and more drama - and so on...), that I must therefore HATE THE SHROOMERY; my on-line home of 6 years.
This is an indication of a deeply troubled mind caught in illusion and warped by out-of-control emotions. How can one person believe that their taking offense at an attempt at clarification equates to hating thousands of members and their countless contributions? There is no logic to his/her conclusion.
How would you attempt to communicate with or help one so steeped in Maya? Is it even possible?
BTW, if this is my last post, know that I care for you all - especially those that I do mock battle with. 
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The proof is in the pudding.
Edited by Swami (12/11/05 12:27 PM)
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 barfightlard
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 Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5047925 - 12/11/05 10:58 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd bet you've given more to this community than that mod.
If this is your last post, then fare-well fellow shroomerite. 
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5047933 - 12/11/05 11:01 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wish I had the power to ban people just because I'm sick of them.
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5047952 - 12/11/05 11:03 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's a Debate forum that looks interesting. You might do very well there.
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Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5047973 - 12/11/05 11:10 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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unskillful mods, immature spirits, insecure, pettiness, etc. etc. What's to be done? It's business as usual.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Icelander]
#5047980 - 12/11/05 11:11 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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give him his own forum
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Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
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barfightlard
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Booby]
#5047984 - 12/11/05 11:12 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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We should have a mod election.
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Swami
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Icelander]
#5047990 - 12/11/05 11:13 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Send them warm fuzzies and lots of loving vibes. 
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Icelander
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5048002 - 12/11/05 11:15 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hate the sin and love the sinner. 
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5048005 - 12/11/05 11:17 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol
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Swami
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Booby]
#5048138 - 12/11/05 11:43 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's a Debate forum that looks interesting. You might do very well there.
This IS a debate forum.
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Phred
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5048153 - 12/11/05 11:48 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
This is an indication of a deeply troubled mind caught in illusion and warped by out-of-control emotions.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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... that I must therefore "HATE THE SHROOMERY"; my on-line home of 6 years.
Source, please. What you provided for us in boldface contains no such phrase.
Is this post presenting an idea of philosophical or spiritual import for discussion or is it just another incompetently "disguised" whinefest? It appears to me that once we get past the self-serving setup of your opening post, the question of philosophical import on which you are soliciting input is --
"How would you attempt to communicate with or help one so steeped in Maya?"
It would help if we knew what your definition of "Maya" is, but I'll take a first stab at it anyway.
I would start by explaining the principles being addressed in the post the moderator felt inappropriate (perhaps he misunderstood some key component of the post) and show how those principles fit in with the timbre and ambiance of the rest of the threads of the forum.
Phred
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5048158 - 12/11/05 11:50 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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How would you attempt to communicate with or help one so steeped in Maya? Is it even possible?
maybe start with some empathy?
still, i'll miss your posts if/when you're gone.
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Swami
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Phred]
#5048212 - 12/11/05 12:04 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pot. Kettle. Black.
Please give an example of my deep disturbance so that I may grow and mature.
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fireworks_god
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: crunchytoast]
#5048229 - 12/11/05 12:13 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Paradigm said:
I wish I had the power to ban people just because I'm sick of them.
I could definitely become a real asshole in such a situation and ban a few people that come to mind.  That and to constantly institute short-duration bans frequently, for no causal reason. 
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Phred said:
Is this post presenting an idea of philosophical or spiritual import for discussion or is it just another incompetently "disguised" whinefest?
It presents great oppurtunity for philosophical and spiritual discussion of ideas. I think that perhaps the greatest chance of sharing insight is by relating it to and involving it with situations that we are familiar with. Bringing into focus situations involving this community that we participate within to discuss philosophical and/or spiritual matters would seem to imply a cornucopia of philosophical/spiritual discussion oppurtunities, eh? 
Intention isn't a factor that we can consider, in light of its nature. As long as no actual forum rule is broken and it is brings forth oppurtunity for philosophical/spiritual discussion (as it has been demonstrated that this thread has ), then it wouldn't matter if Swami's every word was driven by his intention to seduce every last participant in this forum. The thread would fufill the basic necessities required by its rules and ripe idea exchange would ensue. 
Thus, we do not currently have a need for any traffic within this thread to be regulated. The speed limit is being observed and there is no need to pull anyone over. It's all cool.
 
Peace. 
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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
  
 
Edited by fireworks_god (12/11/05 12:14 PM)
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5049361 - 12/11/05 05:35 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Swami said:
How would you attempt to communicate with or help one so steeped in Maya? Is it even possible?
My friend, I fear that you too are steeped in Maya (as are almost all of us). Accept this weak-minded mod, love them, and move on. Creating discord and disharmony is generally not the way to go about things (there are times when it is).
If you think it was a wrongful ban (and I must say I agree that if that's the reason you were banned, then it was an unjust ban), then you should appeal to the right people. I know there are a number of people who will back you up.
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But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Phred
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5049664 - 12/11/05 06:50 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
This Moderator believes...
Ythan is not a moderator. He's the one who created your "on-line home of 6 years".
Phred
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Swami
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Phred]
#5049842 - 12/11/05 07:35 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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So your point is what?
The facts remain. The Creator, like his reps before him, would rather squelch than address any of the issues at hand.
He reasons that his being "sick" is by my words rather than the avoidance of dealing with such issues. This is an illusion. A simple and direct answer would have avoided countless hours of drama and thousands of lines written. To this day, no reason was given why I was banned for posting Spiritual material on a Spirituality Forum. The reason this appears so difficult is because there was no basis; therefore it MUST be hidden. Remember, the truth can stand full scrutiny while falsehoods cannot.
While we owe much to this founder and his creation, and the power to ban lies with him, that does not make it just; nor does he now represent the wishes of the thousands of members.
Extrapolating my problem with petty and unjust bans to "having problems with the Shroomery" still remains illogical no matter who wrote those words and how great his contributions to us all have been.
Ironic sidenote: I was "warned" during the period of my banning. Protocol once again side-stepped.
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Swami]
#5050056 - 12/11/05 08:23 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Swami writes:
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So your point is what? The facts remain.
My point is that you are allowing your emotionalism to affect your presentation of the facts. Before you had even completed half of your opening post, you had commited two misrepresentations of fact -- that the one banning you was a moderator rather than an administrator (THE Administrator, in fact) and that he claims you hate The Shroomery.
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He reasons that his being "sick" is by my words rather than the avoidance of dealing with such issues.
An unwarranted assumption on your part. I'm not even a participant in the situation and *I* get pretty tired of seeing your attempts to drag your personal battle of wills with management into virtually every thread you start, so I can certainly see how one who is more directly involved in it would find it tedious.
Ythan is not avoiding dealing with the issues, he is in fact dealing with the issues. You're just unhappy with the method he chooses for dealing with them.
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A simple and direct answer would have avoided countless hours of drama and thousands of lines written.
Answers have been given countless times in various open threads in the WA&F forum as well as given to you in PMs by the administration. The fact that you don't like these answers is your problem.
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While we owe much to this founder and his creation, and the power to ban lies with him, that does not make it just; nor does he now represent the wishes of the thousands of members.
You don't find it just. Big whoop. Others do -- including the ones who run the show. Hence Ythan's suggestion that you leave if you disagree with the way things are being run. If staying here makes you so obsessed you are unable to control your impulse to drag the perceived injustice against you into almost every thread you start in almost every forum you post in then why on earth don't you find another on-line home more in tune with your posting style? Obsession is not good for the spirit. Your poor impulse control is (to borrow a phrase) "indicative of a troubled mind caught in illusion and warped by out-of-control emotions."
Your problem is not that you can't communicate with one "steeped in Maya" (whatever that might be), your problem is that you can't persuade him to buy into your version of how things should be. "Communication" is not synonymous with "control".
I'm sure I'm not the only one here who is tickled by the screaming irony of the title you chose for this thread. Like it or not, The Shroomery is not all about you, no matter how many years you have been a member.
In the interest of helping you achieve spiritual peace, my advice to you is to accept the fact that sometimes people will disagree with your point of view. Go with the flow.
Phred
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Re: Pathological Egocentricity [Re: Phred]
#5050139 - 12/11/05 08:44 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Before you had even completed half of your opening post, you had commited two misrepresentations of fact -- that the one banning you was a moderator rather than an administrator
I deliberately tried to keep anonimity for the source of the quote.
so I can certainly see how one who is more directly involved in it would find it tedious.
In the same way that certain factions got sick of MLK bringing up unresolved issues. Using the same "logic", we can all conclude that he hated America because he was a pain in the ass about inequity.
Ythan is not avoiding dealing with the issues, he is in fact dealing with the issues. You're just unhappy with the method he chooses for dealing with them.
False. The issue of why a perma-ban for posting a Vernon Howard quote has NEVER been dealt with.
Answers have been given countless times in various open threads in the WA&F forum as well as given to you in PMs by the administration. The fact that you don't like these answers is your problem.
False. No answer has been given. The reason for a perma-ban for posting a Vernon Howard quote has NEVER been publicly explained. Search high and low and you will find nothing.
Phred response in advance: I will not waste my time doing such a search. (Translation: I could not find it either, but I know it is there.)
Your problem is not that you can't communicate with one "steeped in Maya" (whatever that might be), your problem is that you can't persuade him to buy into your version of how things should be.
Such as a non-personal reason for such a ban... The "How things should be" guideline was not laid out by me, but by the staff and was not followed.
"Communication" is not synonymous with "control".
Hurray! :cheerleader: We agree. Yet "control' is used in lieu of communication with me.
Note to readers: for all his blather, Phred STILL failed to address how one person's irritation healthily equates to the desires of all of it's members or logically equates to my dislike for this site.
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