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 Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: Shroomism]
#5026547 - 12/06/05 11:24 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nope, but if I was a soldier I would. If for no other reason, you'd get a nice book deal.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: Shroomism]
#5026548 - 12/06/05 11:24 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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The gulf war was 30 UN nations vs. one country..
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: Shroomism]
#5026559 - 12/06/05 11:25 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Desert Storm is the farthest thing from a "conventional war" that I can possibly think of.
How many troops did we lose?
I believe it was slightly over 100. And a bunch of those were to friendly fire.
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How many did we kill?
I have seen estimates of 100,000. It's pretty easy to overwhelm an enemy when they have 1970's technology and you have 1990's technology.
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I don't have the facts in front of me (and I'm too lazy to look for them)
You wouldn't last long in P A & L with that excuse.
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The biggest "strike" lasted a day, two at most. And we won. Maybe there was two weeks of skirmishes before that, but the real battle was fought and won in several hours.
Sources? ...The coalition launched air raids EVERY night for weeks. They methodically destroyed Iraqi targets. They didn't win the war in one day....they won it in several weeks.
The "final fight" you are thinking of must be that Iraqi convoy that was retreating and American planes just decimated them. That was not a final "climactic" fight.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: _Aegis_]
#5026561 - 12/06/05 11:26 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Unh huh.. and how many of those 30 actually fought in it?
America led the attack.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: Shroomism]
#5026569 - 12/06/05 11:27 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you were the military, and you had Neutron bombs.. why WOULDN'T you use them in DESERT STORM?
There would be no point in using them. The political fallout (no pun intended) would be far too high. How would that play in the world press if we used a nasty unconventional weapon on a weak opponent?
Our conventional forces were more than capable of whooping Saddam's military, which they did handily by the way.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: _Aegis_]
#5026571 - 12/06/05 11:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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January 17 - February 27. 5 or 6 weeks
was the shortest war in history I do believe
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5026580 - 12/06/05 11:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Air strikes lasted 5 weeks
Ground attacks came in and 5 days later the war was over
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5026620 - 12/06/05 11:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said:
I believe it was slightly over 100. And a bunch of those were to friendly fire.
Exactly. Unfuckingheard of in war.
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RandalFlagg said:
I have seen estimates of 100,000. It's pretty easy to overwhelm an enemy when they have 1970's technology and you have 1990's technology.
So true. Especially 1970s technology we gave them.
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You wouldn't last long in P A & L with that excuse.
I'm not in PA&L with that excuse now am I? 
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Sources? ...The coalition launched air raids EVERY night for weeks. They methodicially destroyed Iraqi targets. They didn't win the war in one day....they won it in several weeks.
The "final fight" you are thinking of must be that Iraqi convoy that was retreating and American planes just decimated them. That was not a final "climactic" fight.
Like I sai, I'm too lazy. I did a google search and I got ten million sites, I'm not going to look through them all.
However, I did find these
http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/news/articles/calltouseneutronbomb.htm
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The neutron bomb stockpile was eliminated after the Gulf War
http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/du-slowburn.html
http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/iraq1.htm
http://www.bvalphaserver.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=26
This is not even considering DU munitions.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: Shroomism]
#5026629 - 12/06/05 11:41 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have seen estimates of 100,000. It's pretty easy to overwhelm an enemy when they have 1970's technology and you have 1990's technology.
So true. Especially 1970s technology we gave them.
Iraq's military equipment was overwhelmingly from the Soviet Union.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5026634 - 12/06/05 11:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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There would be no point in using them.
Of course there would. They are the favorite bombs these days. Clean, radiation is gone in hours, and leaves buildings standing. Perfect killing machines.
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The political fallout (no pun intended) would be far too high. How would that play in the world press if we used a nasty unconventional weapon on a weak opponent?
That's why you don't tell the world press.
It's easy when you control the press.
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Our conventional forces were more than capable of whooping Saddam's military, which they did handily by the way.
yeah, right. A massacre. Pure slaughter.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: Shroomism]
#5027575 - 12/07/05 08:57 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was stationed in the middle east during desert shield... TSg1 clearance for sattellite communication intel. I got to go into a lot of facilities to work on specialized equipment that were housing some ODD weaponry. Saw the "sunshine-in-a-can" units, saw specialized MOPP and Chemical weaponry response facilities (ie. VX storehouses), and one facility that I believe they have declassified SOME info about.... all I know about that one is that they had these wierd conical sound arrays that would deliever a "punch" of sound that can literally incapacitate you enoungh to prevent you from being an effective combatant. I don't know the effective range, but from what I gathered it was not something you wanted used on you... very unpleasant. I also was told about another weapon system that is actually carried about on 2 very large trucks... one is a giant diesel generator, the other a focusing array for a concentrated microwave beam. This apparently has to be pretty close to where ever it is being used, but can heat the inside of a bunker hot enough to set off ordinance. That means you'd get baked first if you're in there... kinda creepy... 
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: mediman0078]
#5027579 - 12/07/05 08:59 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I read about that microwave machine, and it sounds very ineffective. I can barely penetrate the skin, and to do serious harm, one would have to stand still for a long period of time while it is trained on them. I'll try to dig up the link.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: Redstorm]
#5027590 - 12/07/05 09:04 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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How does it work?
Active Denial Technology uses a transmitter to send a narrow beam of energy towards an identified subject. Traveling at the speed of light, the energy reaches the subject and penetrates less than 1/64 of an inch into the skin, quickly heating up the skin's surface. Within seconds, an individual feels an intense heating sensation that stops when the transmitter is shut off or when the individual moves out of the beam.
Despite the sensation, the technology does not cause injury because of the low energy levels used. It exploits a natural defense mechanism that helps to protect the human body from damage. The heat-induced sensation caused by this technology, is nearly identical to the sensation experienced by briefly touching an ordinary light bulb that has been left on for a while. Unlike a light bulb, however, active denial technology will not cause rapid burning, because of the shallow penetration of the beam and the low levels of energy used. The transmitter needs only to be on for a few seconds to cause the sensation.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/active-denial-technology.htm
It sounds like it would be useful as a crowd-control device than a weapon of war.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: Redstorm]
#5027596 - 12/07/05 09:06 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not from what I understand about it... maybe when they were developing it. It's based on concentration arrays like ships use for line of site communications, except on a vastly larger scale. We're talking hundreds of kilowatts... I know from working on ship to ship systems, that if you put a cup of water in front of the array during burst transmission, it'll boil. We did it a few times. I can imagine a scaled up version of one of those units could do some serious damage if focused.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: Capatalistc nomad]
#5027599 - 12/07/05 09:07 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Destruction of faith in humanity thread of the year.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: mediman0078]
#5027601 - 12/07/05 09:07 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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2 different things, I think... these units would be rather bulky for crowd control.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: Odiumjunkie]
#5027603 - 12/07/05 09:07 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Destruction of faith in humanity thread of the year.
Totally.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: mediman0078]
#5027608 - 12/07/05 09:09 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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How would they find a large enough power supply to provide ewnough energy to do something like that. Remember that it would have to fit on the back of a truck. The amount of energy needed to get the results you are talking about would have to be enormous.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: Redstorm]
#5027619 - 12/07/05 09:12 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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were not talking 1 truck here... it's 2 VERY LARGE trucks.... one is nothing but a very large generator... and they're supposed to be expandable units. They can add another generator if necessary.
I honestly don't know the specifics of it... I didn't "need to know"... I was just in the facility and asked "WTF IS THAT?!" They're bigass machines. I just fixed up they comms stuff and was escorted back out... that's about the grand total of info I can give ya.
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Re: Soooo if we secretly had Nukes 50 yuears ago....... [Re: mediman0078]
#5027626 - 12/07/05 09:14 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's interesting. It seems quite inefficienct, though.If you knew where an enemy bunker was, wouldn't it be easier (and safer) just to hit it with a bunker buster?
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