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 Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun 
#4993144 - 11/29/05 04:53 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Egyptian sun god Horus, who predated the Christ character by thousands of years, shares the following in common with Jesus:
Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph"). Seb is also known as "Geb": "As Horus the Elder he..was believed to be the son of Geb and Nut." Lewis Spence, Ancient Egyptian Myths and Legends, 84.
He was of royal descent.
At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.
Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.
He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").
He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.
Horus walked on water.
His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."
He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."
Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.
He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God?s Anointed Son," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.
He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.
He came to fulfill the Law.
Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."
Like Jesus, "Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years."
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Krishna was born of a chaste virgin, called Devaki, who was selected by the Lord for this purpose on account of her purity.
Jesus was born of a chaste virgin, called Mary, who was selected by the Lord for this purpose, on account of her purity.
The birth of krishna was announced in the heavens by his star.
The birth of Jesus was announced in the heavens by his star.
Krishna, though royally descended, was actually born in a state the most abject and humiliating, having been brought into the world in a cave.
The birth of Jesus, the King of Israel, took place under circumstances of extreme indigence; and the place of his nativity, according to the united voice of the ancients, and of oriental travelers, was in a cave.
The divine child--Krishna--was recognized, and adored by cow-herders who prostrated themselves before the heaven-born child.
Krishna was received with divine honors, and presented with gifts of sandal-wood and perfumes.
The divine child--Jesus--was recognized, and adored by shepherds, who prostrated themselves before the heaven-born child.
Jesus was received with divine honors, and presented with gifts of frankincense and myrrh.
Krishna was born at a time when Nanda--his foster father--was away from home, having come to the city to pay his tax or yearly tribute, to the king.
Jesus was born at a time when Joseph--his foster father--was away from home, having come to the city to pay his tax or tribute to the governor.
Krishna?s father was warned by a "heavenly voice," to "fly with the child to Gacool, across the river Jumna," as the reigning monarch sought his life.
Jesus? father was warned "in a dream" to "take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt," as the reigning monarch sought his life.
Krishna was preceded by Rama, who was born a short time before him, and whose life was sought by Kansa, the ruling monarch, at the time he attempted to destroy the infant Krishna.
Jesus was preceded by John the "divine herald," who was born a short time before him, and whose life was sought by Herod, the ruling monarch, at the time he attempted to destroy the infant Jesus.
One of the first miracles performed by Krishna, when mature, was the curing of a leper.
One of the first miracles performed by Jesus, when mature, was the curing of a leper.
Krishna was crucified, and he is represented with arms extended hanging on a cross.
Jesus was crucified, and he is represented with arms extended, hanging on a cross.
At the time of the death of Krishna, there came calamities and bad omens of every kind. A black circle surrounded the moon, and the sun was darkened at noon day; the sky rained fire and ashes; flames burned dusky and livid; demons committed depredations on earth; at sunrise and sunset, thousands of figures were seen skirmishing in the air; spirits were to be seen on all sides.
At the time of the death of Jesus, there came calamities of many kinds. The veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom, the sun was darkened from the sixth to the ninth hour, and the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose and came out of their graves.
Krishna was pierced with an arrow.
Jesus was pierced with a spear.
Krishna descended into hell.
Jesus descended into hell.
Krishna, after being put to death, rose again from the dead.
Jesus, after being put to death, rose again from the dead.
Krishna ascended bodily into heaven, and many persons witnessed his ascent.
Jesus ascended bodily into heaven, and many persons witnessed his ascent.
Krishna is to come again on earth in the latter days. He will appear among mortals as an armed warrior, riding a white horse. At his approach the sun and moon will be darkened, the earth will tremble, and the stars fall from the firmament.
Jesus is to come again of earth in the latter days. He will appear among mortals as an armed warrior, riding a white horse. At his approach, the sun and moon will be darkened, the earth will tremble, and the stars fall from the firmament.
Krishna is to be judge of the dead at the last day.
Jesus is to be judge of the dead at the last day.
Krishna is the creator of all things visible and invisible; "all this universe came into being through him, the eternal maker."
Jesus is the creator of all things visible and invisible; "all things visible and invisible; "all this universe came into being through him, the eternal maker."
Krishna is Alpha and Omega, "the beginning, the middle, and the end of all things."
Jesus is Alpha and Omega, the beginning, the middle and the end of all things."
Krishna had a beloved disciple--Arjuna.
Jesus had a beloved disciple--John.
Krishna was transfigured before his disciple Arjuna.
And after six days, Jesus taketh Peter, James and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart, and was transfigured before them.
Krishna is the second person in the Hindu Trinity.
Jesus is the second person in the Christian Trinity.
Krishna said: "Let him if seeking God by deep abstraction, abandon his possessions and his hopes, betake himself to some secluded spot, and fix his heart and thoughts on God alone.
Jesus said: "But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when then hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father, which is in secret.
Krishna said: "I am the cause of the whole universe; through me it is created and dissolved; on me all things within it hang and suspend, like pearls upon a string."
Jesus said: "Of him, and through him, and unto him, are all things." "All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."
Krishna said: "I am the light in the Sun and Moon, far, far beyond the darkness. I am the brilliancy in flame, the radiance in all that?s radiant, and the light of lights."
"Then spoke Jesus again unto them, saying; I am the light of the world; he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."
Krishna said: "I am the sustainer of the world, its friend and Lord. I am its way and refuge."
"Jesus said unto them, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Christians, who are apparently determind to believe the birth of Jesus was the first and only infant savior to be born of a virgin will not want to believe the above comparisons. Some of them have said that since the Bhagavad Gita wasn?t written or compiled until the last of the first century, the Hindus copied from the Bible and thats why there are so many similarities. But, once again, reality defeats them. That which is written about Krishna is identical to that said of Vishnu in two great epic poems, the Ramayana and the Maha-bharata. Vishnu is said to have lived about thirty five hundred years before the Bible was compiled so it?s highly unlikely those living then could have copied from the Bible.
The "Son" of God is the "Sun" of God
The reason why all these narratives are so similar, with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula (the "Mythos,") revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.
For instance, many of the world?s crucified godmen have their traditional birthday on December 25th. This is because the ancients recognized that (from an earthcentric perspective) the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21st or 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again. During this time, the ancients declared that "God?s sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25th.
The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "sun of God?s" birthday on December 25th.
The following are the characteristics of the "sun of God":
The sun "dies" for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin."
The sun is the "Light of the World."
The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him."
The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind."
The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo.
The sun "walks on water."
The sun?s "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father?s work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30?; hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
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Contrary to popular belief, the ancients were not an ignorant and superstitious lot who actually believed their deities to be literal characters. Indeed, this slanderous propaganda has been part of the conspiracy to make the ancients appear as if they were truly the dark and dumb rabble that was in need of the "light of Jesus." The reality is that the ancients were no less advanced in their morals and spiritual practices, and in many cases were far more advanced, than the Christians in their own supposed morality and ideology, which, in its very attempt at historicity, is in actuality a degradation of the ancient Mythos. Indeed, unlike the "superior" Christians, the true intelligentsia amongst the ancients were well aware that their gods were astronomical and atmospheric in nature and the stories to be allegories.
Socrates, Plato and Aristotle surely knew that Zeus, the sky god father figure who migrated to Greece from India and/or Egypt, was never a real person, despite the fact that the Greeks have designated on Crete both a birth cave and a death cave of Zeus.
In addition, all over the world are to be found sites where this god or that allegedly was born, walked, suffered, died, etc., a common and unremarkable occurrence that is not monopolized by, and did not originate with, Christianity.
The Jesus story incorporated elements from the tales of other deities recorded in this widespread area, such as many of the following world saviors and "sons of God," most or all of whom predate the Christian myth, and a number of whom were crucified or executed:
Adad of Assyria
Adonis, Apollo, Heracles ("Hercules") and Zeus of Greece
Alcides of Thebes
Attis of Phrygia
Baal of Phoenicia
Bali of Afghanistan
Beddru of Japan
Buddha of India
Crite of Chaldea
Deva Tat of Siam
Hesus of the Druids
Horus, Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt, whose long-haired, bearded appearance was adopted for the Christ character
Indra of Tibet/India
Jao of Nepal
Krishna of India
Mikado of the Sintoos
Mithra of Persia
Odin of the Scandinavians
Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece
Quetzalcoatl of Mexico
Salivahana of Bermuda
Tammuz of Syria (who was, in a typical mythmaking move, later turned into the disciple Thomas)
Thor of the Gauls
Universal Monarch of the Sibyls
Wittoba of the Bilingonese
Xamolxis of Thrace
Zarathustra/Zoroaster of Persia
Zoar of the Bonzes
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Edited by MAIA (11/29/05 08:11 AM)
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 Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: MAIA]
#4993362 - 11/29/05 07:59 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice to see this info out (t)here.. 
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: MAIA]
#4993367 - 11/29/05 08:02 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dont forget the essential teachings of Zoraoster. The first monotheistic religion to spring out of persia. nm
Edited by The_Red_Crayon (11/29/05 08:02 AM)
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#4994563 - 11/29/05 01:49 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's all very interesting! But I have a few questions...
How can "son" and "sun" have dual meaning when it is highly unlikely that these words sounded the same in sanskrit, egyptian, aramaic, etc.? Were the words similar or is this just a complarison that has come about recently?
I've never seen a picture of Krishna on a cross or being crucified. Could you show me a pic or a link?
Also, how long has the constellation Virgo been called so? I know that many different cultures have different names for constellations. How many cultures, and for how many millenia, have referred to the same cluster of stars as "the Virgin"?
I'm sorry about all the questions. I just find it suprising that such distant cultures would share such simliar astrological nomenclature and phonetic-connotations.
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: MAIA]
#4995285 - 11/29/05 04:58 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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is this info from www.Pharmacratic-Inquisition.com?
sounds bassically like the documentary from there(of that name) that i watched.
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: MAIA]
#4996052 - 11/29/05 07:17 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father?s work" at "age" 12.
How can we be so sure that thousands of years ago, cultures had the same 12/24 hour time system that we have today? In fact I'm fairly certain that they had a totally different conception of it.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30?; hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
Again, I'm skeptical of this because how can we be certain that the ancients demarkated the sky in the same way we do today with 360/180??
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: dblaney]
#4996323 - 11/29/05 08:11 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was going to point that out too, but lost my train of thought...
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: dr0mni]
#4997901 - 11/30/05 09:13 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was also informed of this by pharmacratic-inquisition.com. It's intriguing, but i wouldn't consider it fact.
Here is a site i found that tries to disprove these myths/comparisons.
http://www.blackapologetics.com/bamanswerantiquity.html
I'm not sure what to think.
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: MAIA]
#5001410 - 12/01/05 04:56 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have to leave for work, but...I have 2 Horus falcons arriving tomorrow to flank figures of Isis (Auset) and Osirus (Ausar) and the Wadjet of Horus (your 1st illustration). Geb and Nuit are the deities who produced Isis and Osirus, who are Horus' parents. Some of the material you reproduced is not historically accurate, such as a crucifixion of Horus, although it is well known that there are archetypal/mythological precursors of Horus (Kheru) and Jesus. Kheru the Egyptian name for the Greek name Horus means 'Word' and the prefix 'Maa' (as in the deity Maat) means 'true,' thus 'True Word. Maa Kheru apparently developed into the god Mercury (Greek Hermes, Christian Michael). We have to be careful with parallels and over-zealous people who try to get parallel lines to cross.
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5028407 - 12/07/05 11:44 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks Markos for clarifying and adding some points. Your participation and knowledge is always invaluable.
Yes, some of this info can be found at pharmacratic-inquisition lectures, although they focus more on Mithra. This info is mainly gnostic knowledge, the same you can see at pharmacratic-inquisition and other gnostic sites.
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How can "son" and "sun" have dual meaning when it is highly unlikely that these words sounded the same in sanskrit, egyptian, aramaic, etc.? Were the words similar or is this just a complarison that has come about recently?
The comparison is recent, it uses the similarity in the english language between both words to better relate or to increase the awareness about their several relationships. It is a secondary aspect but it's worth clarifying nevertheless.
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I've never seen a picture of Krishna on a cross or being crucified. Could you show me a pic or a link?
http://www.truthbeknown.com/kcrucified.htm
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Also, how long has the constellation Virgo been called so? I know that many different cultures have different names for constellations. How many cultures, and for how many millenia, have referred to the same cluster of stars as "the Virgin"?
Hmmm, that would require some research but you can start by reading this :
http://www.ras.ucalgary.ca/~gibson/starnames/
and specially
http://www.ras.ucalgary.ca/~gibson/starnames/starnames.html
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How can we be so sure that thousands of years ago, cultures had the same 12/24 hour time system that we have today? In fact I'm fairly certain that they had a totally different conception of it.
I wouldn't be so certain ... The Romans already had sundials with 12 marks. If you think about it, it makes sense do divide the day in several equal sections. The sundial is a prime example, but why they choose to divide it in 12 ? Without making further research i suppose it had to do mythology, astronomy and astrology, i.e. the 12 constellations in the sky are directly related to such aspects.
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Again, I'm skeptical of this because how can we be certain that the ancients demarkated the sky in the same way we do today with 360/180??
Again, you cannot be certain. Was that knowledge so secret it was lost ?  I don't know. The thing is, many ancient texts seem to refer to some astronomical calculations in some allegoric and cryptic way. Knowledge is power, we know it now and surely the ancient knew it back in their days. Keeping this knowledge/power to themselves, was perhaps what led it into oblivion.
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Here is a site i found that tries to disprove these myths/comparisons.
http://www.blackapologetics.com/bamanswerantiquity.html
I'm not sure what to think.
I've read the text and i believe the author is not objectively answering his own questions, in fact he shoots him self in the foot several times.
An example, look at the first issue "Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki ("Divine One")". The author reasoning doesn't try to discredit the issue in analysis, instead the reader is diverted by the argument of how different Krishna and Christ birth were. That is irrelevant to the question "Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki ("Divine One")".
The lack of proper justification goes on and on. He even uses what he refers as dubious sources to justify and not answer several issues. Anyway, it doesn't convince me at all, except one or two issues which IMHO i agree are arguable.
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: MAIA]
#5033519 - 12/08/05 09:43 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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This was an awesome post man! Thanks for the info, I'm curious though, what does it mean for religion in general?
I need to research and integrate all of the different views that I am being exposed to on this site...
It's difficult and has shaken my foundation really, and I don't really know what to make of it...
So is it your contention then that there really was no Christ, or Krishna, or Horace, and that these are just myths perpetuated throughout time based on astronomical observation?
Or is there more to it?
Is this what Gnosism is?
I'm so confused...
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: Prajna]
#5034753 - 12/08/05 03:04 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't like to see anyone confused, so I'll jump in with this: There is presently, and there has always been the school of thought that the great founders of religions were ONLY mythic. The Pagan Christ: Recovering the Lost Light by Tom Harpur is a current book which insists on this. Another book (that I haven't read, but have) by Freke and Gandy called The Laughing Jesus: Religious Lies and Gnostic Wisdom also (I believe) makes a similar claim. The classic book by Albert Schweitzer The Quest for the Historical Jesus even came to the mythic conclusion. One must take each individual at a time, not equate them, except archetypally, and view them properly within each one's historical context. Hindus do not believe that Krishna is a historical personage. He is a form of Vishnu and stories about him are undeniably mythical. Jesus is quite another story.
I have studied Jesus for decades, and my Lady has begun a study of her own recently that we share. We have DVDs of a noted Biblical scholar (Ehrman) as well as a pretty extensive library. Despite the absence of writings from Jesus' contemporaries like the Hellenistic Jew Philo of Alexandria, there is evidence from important fragments written by non-Christians that attest to the historicity of Jesus. Whether one wishes to believe that He was the 'annointed One' - the Christ or Messiah, or, if one wishes to take the Johannine position that He was 'God clothed in flesh' - these are a matter of belief.
The Egyptian archetypal precursor to Jesus - Horus (Kheru) - the falcon-headed son of Isis and Osirus, was never thought of as a physical-historical being by the Egyptians. For ancient people, they had a fairly sophisticated theology that is repeated in Christianity: Judgment of mens' hearts, punishment and reward, differentiations of the soul and the category of spirit plus certain metaphysical mechanisms for the realization of Eternal Life (hence their Book of the Dead ' -'The Book of Coming Forth by Day and by Night') - in a word - scriptures. Some cultures like the Mayans or even the Druids were into astronomical and calendar time (hence the McKenna stuff on Time Wave Zero and the date 12/12/2012). The Egyptians were focused not on 'the myth of the eternal return' but on eternity and Eternal Life. This seems to have gotten concealed in Judaism, then revealed again in Christianity. Moses or Mose, was a prince of Egypt (so the story goes), adopted by the daughter of Pharoah no less. His name reveals the Egyptian flavor, like the name Thutmose for example.
There is no hieroglyphic evidence that Hebrews were ever enslaved in Egypt, nor are there paintings or papyrus, yet Judaism is based on the Exodus from Egypt lead by a historical Moses, who is also not found recorded in history. So, does one wish to affirm against every Jew who ever lived that the Torah is untrue - not a lie, but not historically true? And Jesus - does one want to insist that the man, even one born though natural means, never existed? There is evidence both ways in all of these things and it is one's faith that determines the answer to the question: "What is Reality?" I would still maintain a Jewish identity even if the Exodus never occurred on the physical plane, and I would still be a Christian even if Y'shua ben Miriam had never walked around Nazareth. These things are not merely made up, they are the concretization of mankinds highest spiritual aspirations.
To sum up: one can be a Jew, a Christian, a Jewish Christian or a Messianic Jew (depending upon the emphasis). One can be a Hindu Christian or a Christian Hindu, by the same reasoning. Some things hang together better than others and reflect more accuracy of original intention. It seems more harmonious to have a Jewish Christian identity than a Jewish Hindu identity. The latter seems contrived. Now, I practice Yoga, but I don't think I'm a Hindu. Nor do I see Jesus as being an 'avatar' within Hinduism (although they adopt everything). One does, eventually, have to set priorities and set up a hierarchy within one's own spiritual identity.
Hope this makes some sense.
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5059191 - 12/13/05 06:13 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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<<I would still maintain a Jewish identity even if the Exodus never occurred on the physical plane, and I would still be a Christian even if Y'shua ben Miriam had never walked around Nazareth.>>
That's interesting.....I don't know many Christians or Jews who:
<<I have 2 Horus falcons arriving tomorrow to flank figures of Isis (Auset) and Osirus (Ausar) and the Wadjet of Horus (your 1st illustration). Geb and Nuit are the deities who produced Isis and Osirus, who are Horus' parents.>>
Because I thought a primary basis of Judaeo-Christian faith was written:
"I have brought my son up out of Egypt"....
????????
But - shalom to your meshuga anyway
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: MAIA]
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This all makes sense to me. Horus is the original Christ. Christ is just another theme of the same legend. Makes it way more interesting in my book.
Perhaps Christianity was created by Romans seeking to control the masses by uniting all their religious stories into one conglomerate portrait; would be much easier to control. After all they did control most of the East.
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: curenado]
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There are no rigid walls dividing the stream of historical time, neither are there any walls dividing the living stream of consciousness that passes befire the Eye ('I') of my awareness. How shall I 'fix' the 'Mercury' of consciousness into a solidified identity. ('Fixed Mercury' [vs. 'Volatile Mercury' was represented in alchemy as the the winged god Mercury with his feet cut off]). I cannot help but to see it all, and to symbolize the awareness of it all, I have art which depicts Hebrew, Greek, Roman and Egyptian themes. I have adopted the highest ethics and metaphysics from all of those vehicles in my own personal development. I can see the higher unfolding from the lower, the universals unfolding from the particulars. This can be contained psychologically, but unfortunately it is not possible to contain these seemingly contradictory perspectives socially. I mean, I've never seen a Egyptian-Hebrew-Greek-Roman Temple-Church...outside of my Living Room that is
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: psyka]
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ever heard the story of link? in the Zelda games?
much like the story of Christ..
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: Gomp]
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lol, you nerd...
how is Link like Christ?
(I thought Fafner was Christ :P inside joke)
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: psyka]
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i enjoyed reading though that, really interesting read mate.
nice to see u put ur time into gathering that info for us,
especially as "christ"mas comes up !
best wishes to u mate 
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: ohmatic]
#5081041 - 12/19/05 06:18 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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i thought about all this for a while when the creator of pharmocratic inquesition posted his lecture...
it makes sense to me... i belive that religion was invented inorder to somehow explain the human expiriance and to pass on lessons learned
it evolved as stories and myths but soon lost it's true meaning...
once humans began to live in big groups the shamans saw an opretunety to make a living on the account of those they did not care about
thus the practice of worship began and those that did not realize what religion actualy was just made the story stronger... slowly twisted and deformed it to encompass diffrent things.
there is a great welth of informaition in these old stories and text but IMHO most people don't have the right point of viwe to really understand it...
not that i have such a special understanding... but i only belive the things i've expirianced and learned my self... if i had any trust in religion i might just choose to follow some sort of specific teaching
as it stands though i rather figure things out for my self!
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Re: Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun [Re: Simisu]
#5081691 - 12/19/05 11:32 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess this several religious characters are more than just archetypes. IMHO i believe Christ existed and was a person of great wisdom, god-like wisdom, but what we know now was filtered through history by men.
On the other hand, it seems possible great teachers have had a similar storyline, maybe it's all part of how human history is recycled. Having a Christ-like figure in every major ancient culture in the world makes you think about the existence of an order superior to our understanding. Is it what we call "Christ consciousness" the great oracle of wisdom deemed to enlighten and save men through knowledge ?
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