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 Nodon
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 Chanterelles 
#4886480 - 11/03/05 01:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Has any body ever grown chanterelles??? 
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Anno
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 Re: Chanterelles [Re: Nodon]
#4886811 - 11/03/05 03:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They can not be cultivated(yet) as they are a mycorrhizal spezies.
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Re: Chanterelles [Re: Anno]
#4887066 - 11/03/05 05:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Chanterelles [Re: RESTLESS]
#4887380 - 11/03/05 09:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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exactly..you can have mycelium cultures but they will never fructify. except if you inoculate outdoor (under a tree that they love) PERHAPS you will reach the fructification. I listened that in italy a man obtained Boletus edulis under conifers in his garden. Unlucky he doesn't want to show his tek.
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The tek is the same used with truffles. It?s not easy and takes decades. I know a guy that is trying to get Lactarius deliciosus in pines and he will have to wait 10-15 years to see the results. Another guy in the middle/north of my country planted some Quercus ilex that were infected wiht Tuber nigrum (black trufle) back in the 70?s and now is when he is getting a good amount of truffles per year, you know, 35 years later.
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Yes this last is a tek used in italy. for 10000 meters squares, where is a an oak every 10 meters, you can "harvest" around 100 kg for year of the expensive mushroom.
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Re: Chanterelles [Re: Nodon]
#4897813 - 11/05/05 06:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Please don't mind my english.
I grow mushrooms for fun for now 5 years. It is probably possible. I want to try it next year. Chanterelles like Boletes are mycorhizians mushrooms. I have toushands of spruces and white pines of about 20 years old.I have isolated a King Bolete mycelia from a mushroom and reintroduced it on radicles of 15 spruces. The result was spectacular. King Boletes were 20 times much as any other place in the plantation.
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Re: Chanterelles [Re: micololo2]
#4899597 - 11/06/05 06:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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How long did it take from when you introducted it until it fruited?
And what agar and substrate did you grow the boletus myceliium on?
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Re: Chanterelles [Re: Anno]
#4900184 - 11/06/05 01:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It tooks 1 year.
I did not try yet to grow king boletus on substrat. I will this winter. First: I made a stew with 8 petri dishes of king boletus. Second: Looking to find radicles of white spruces, I clean them from earth and peat moss, apply the stew on the radicles and put back the earth and peat moss. In a square of about 30ft. X 30ft. gave me 10 gallons of this mushrooms while it takes about 10 times wider in the non treated places to get the same amount of mushrooms.
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Re: Chanterelles [Re: micololo2]
#4900258 - 11/06/05 01:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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1 year! WOW! what i've understood it usually takes several years
until one can expect any fruits from mycorrhizal experiments..
are you sure that it wasn't just a coincidence (or maybe the irritation
you made while replanting helped ??). Is the natural forest very near by?
you have any pics of the results?
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Re: Chanterelles [Re: Speeker]
#4901833 - 11/06/05 10:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is not a scientific result. But it looks significant that where I put that boletus slush I had so many mushrooms compare to the rest of the tree plantation. The trees are 19 years old. The reason why it takes usualy so many years to get those mycorrhizals mushrooms is because you have to make the slush first, soak the roots of the small trees in, and plant them. To create the shade to have the right athmosphere for the mushrooms to flush, it takes those years for the trees to grow. Surprising me the king boletus mycelia grows realy fast on agar plates, around 7 days at 21C degrees. At 10th days I could see the yellows primordia!! I kept in my live cultures storing bank 10 test tubes of that culture. I would like to find a market for this mushroom, I have a lot of them and I found them so good in mushroom creams and sauces. Next year I'll try to put some where there is no boletus in a part of the tree plantation. I regrett I do not have pics.
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Re: Chanterelles [Re: micololo2]
#4916260 - 11/10/05 02:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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truffles: you harvest after 8-10 years
mycorrhizal species(not truffles): 1 year
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dont really wanna jack this thread but, i have a petri of chanterelle mycelium that ive had sitting sealed in my room for about 6 months...what should i do with it? lol....
im considering droping in a sprouting acorn, allowing it to age a bit longer and transfering the entire thing to a pot outside and hope for the best.
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they grow on softwoods, i think you can find them aronud hemlock here, the acorn idea isnt yer best bet....
id say make some grain spawn, go to sawdust from there, something softwoody and local, then deposit the entire mass near some trees... cant hurt!? *shrug* not sure really what you'd do...
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i think i'll give that a try. i cloned it from a huge fruit. all of the patches i found were under/around oaks. so i figured allowing the mycelium to attach to the roots of the fresh acorn would work. but your method sounds a lot more sensible and practical.
i think i'll dedicate an entire pc session to this. make lots of spawn. i'd love to have something to show for it even if it takes years.
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gl 
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Re: Chanterelles [Re: Nodon]
#4921472 - 11/11/05 10:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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..you can try but..it will not fructify if you don't try to inoculate the roots of some one tree that chanterelles love..
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Chanterelles do NOT grow on wood, soft or hard. They may form a symbiotic relaionship with a softwood tree but they grow in the soil. A university once manged to fruit one chant, I hope you have a university-sized lab at your disposal, maybe you'll grow one too!
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Re: Chanterelles [Re: annulus1]
#4921887 - 11/11/05 01:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've hypothesized one could take hardwood cuttings of suitable tree species in sterile soil. Make a liquid culture of your mycorhizzal species on a stir plate and on replanting, shake the root ball clean of dirt remembering to mist liberally with water. Dip the roots into the liquid culture and replant. It would be hard to confirm successful inoculation without mycoscopic analysis of the roots. But if one population were kept sterile, the trees with mycorhizzae would likely outperform them on a large scale.
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Re: Chanterelles [Re: annulus1]
#4922282 - 11/11/05 03:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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the objective isnt to fruit from the spawn here. the idea is to have enough mycelium to give the network enough foothold to attatch to the root system of the tree. and the growing would not be done in a lab/greenhouse. it would be done in a natural area where chanterelles can grow but have not been introduced yet.
im also hoping i can find a small oak within close proximity of a patch and tranfer the entire area dirt and all to a new set of trees.
anyways, theres an entire boat load of info on chanterelles right here
http://www-mykopat.slu.se/Newwebsite/mycorrhiza/kantarellfiler/texter/rtf.htm
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