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 Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: dblaney]
#4804515 - 10/14/05 06:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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just seriously, dont tell no one about anything and dont leave anything in a open area.....Have it all locked up.
Cut all loose ends so that it is VERY hard to ever get caught, you can do it......lol its been done before.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: ShroomArtist84]
#4807678 - 10/15/05 02:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck the cops..They have showed up at my place a few times and they are always rude...on the other hand...a few years ago and a time in my life that I was totally clean I got pulled over after seeing if a friend was home...The cop said You were at this house for short amount of time I am searching your shit...Well fine MF you can...35 minutes later he was pissed....Go Fuck Yourself Pig
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: JSshroom]
#4812871 - 10/16/05 08:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I sawon cops the other day the police procured a warrant after the power company called and told them the house was usiung too many kilowatt hours a month for that particular type of house and that particualr month. sure enoguh the thing was filled with plants being grown. A never saw the conclusion. The man wasn't home. they took his bad as 72 stingray and all his guns. It was fucked up!!!! Warants aren't that hard to get. Don't be fooled. watch the wire. It was written by a blatimore crime reporter who reported for thirsteen years. they can and will do some dirty shit to get you. Don't be fooled, warrants aren't that hard to get.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: FooMan]
#4817087 - 10/17/05 05:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you have incriminating items within range of view of your front doorway, that's just asking for trouble. Yes, plain sight of possible evidence let's them barge right in. They have seen evidence of a crime while they were there. Bong, blood-soaked towels, a small bag of greenish plant matter, all bad things to have near your front door. If you don't bother taking the precaution to avoid that, which is just damned easy, then really... what do you expect to happen? It IS illegal to do drugs, you know that. Maybe it shouldn't be, but you shouldn't act like it isn't. I may not feel the need to hide from others the fact that I use drugs, but I sure as hell know better than to let them see physical evidence of it.
If you've got enough to lose that it's worth the investment, just put a cheap camera and microphone facing your doorway, where you can turn it on before opening the door for police, who will generally inform you verbally that they are police when they knock or ring the doorbell. If they're truly crooked then they can steal the tape, but if cops in your area are that bad then you really shouldnt risk the trouble anyways.
Oh, and make friends with your neighbors, they are potential witnesses to testify against criminals wearing badges.
Don't live in fear of the police though, they have limited powers and can face tangible punishments for knowingly abusing them or attempting to overstep them.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Konnrade]
#4837408 - 10/22/05 09:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I my case the informent was never in my house, I never sold to him.
My friend(exfriend now) ran his mouth. The informent lied as well as the cop. Had my little lab taken plus guns and other stuff. Now the cops are after my home. TELL NO ONE If not for a good lawyer I would be headed to prison for 10 years.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Konnrade]
#4838259 - 10/22/05 02:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konnrade said:
If they commited the purgery of claiming at the time of the search that they could do so without your consent, then 100% of all evidence in the case would be invalid.
There is no Constitutional Right to driving. Which means, it is a privelege in the eyes of the law... when you get in a motor vehicle you are subject to a concept called "implied consent" which means that in order to accept the privelege of driving, you give up your rights.
That's why, if you refuse a chemical test when you are driving, they staple your license to the incident report and you get what is called a PCF suspension. Mine said "PCF suspension - refused chem test."
When in a vehicle you have no more privacy rights than a guy in prison. 
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Leary_Ban]
#4840424 - 10/23/05 02:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know the laws differ for vehicles, I'm just talking about residences though.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: i8an8th]
#4868363 - 10/29/05 09:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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For drugs cops will make it very easy to get warrent.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: ShroomOmatic]
#4874644 - 10/31/05 10:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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the thing is though, if he actually does find something, it's not too hard for him to convince the DA or the court for that matter that he did indeed see,hear, smell or whatever to justify the search in the first place--even if it's bullshit. that happened to my brother. the cop claimed he smelled weed--there was no weed, but he did bust him for having alcohol underage--he hadnt smoked or even taken a sip of said booze--the cop just made up some bullshit and it worked. now, in his case it was just a ticket--but how many of you have had experiences w\ cops that were either A-pleasent or B-likely to make you trust them and their word?
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Researcher]
#5727625 - 06/08/06 05:06 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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It depends on your state. Asking what a cop needs for a warrant depends entirely by your state statues, municipal actions, as well as federal law.
In some states smell alone is enough for them to get a warrant. In some states, they need physical proof or plain view. In some states its next to impossible. It all depends on where you live.
On the federal level a person's house is given the highest level of security, as a person's house is their own dwelling and subject to protections from the whole of the bill of rights. In other words, police NEED a warrant to enter unless there is a statue which overrides that, such as plain sight, plain smell, etc. Also, a person's home isn't protected in most states if an officer is in hot pursuit.
In other words, there's no difinitive answer. Your best bet is to call your state ACLU office and ask them what provisions your state has to enter your home without a warrant, and what the requirements in your state are for a warrant.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: wiggles]
#5727757 - 06/08/06 06:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would recommend that there be more locked doors within your residence and that everything you don't want them to see be in there in a closet that is also locked, in a safe that is also locked. etc. etc.
If they break a lock or break a door down they'd better have a warrant, because you can prove that they did it.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5746699 - 06/13/06 06:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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They don't require a warrent in australia afaik, just "just cause" to believe something is going on.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: coldkast]
#5747000 - 06/13/06 07:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some seem to forget that warrants are easy as fuck to obtain. The patriot act is to blame, although written in a way thats fucking impossible to read, it does give law enforcement unlimited power.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5747145 - 06/13/06 08:08 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Microcosmatrix said:
I would recommend that there be more locked doors within your residence
If they break a lock or break a door down they'd better have a warrant, because you can prove that they did it.
incorrect, generaly when a warrant is sought, they get one that allows a search of
the premises, outbuildings and even safes, a lock on a bedroom just means you'll
be fixing that door frame as well
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5747159 - 06/13/06 08:11 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hrm... the way that reads to me is that they'd better have a warrant to search these things. Cops unlawfully search things all the time. If you've got a broken lock, cop boot prints mid-door, and no warrant, you're in better shape than if they needed only turn a doornob.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5747284 - 06/13/06 08:40 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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a couple years ago a friend was arrested, they shot his dog, kicked the door in,
and called a locksmith for his safe, all of it was under a single warrant, it
makes no difference if you have locks on individual doors of if you have a shed,
the generaly encompass the entire property but they must be specific about what
the search is for, for instance, if they suspect you're growing pot and obtain a
warrant for that, when they come in and find a meth lab the case may very well
be dismissed
heres a couple of examples
http://www.kathylynndean.com/Nick%20Arrest.htm/Documents.htm/pages/Search%20Warrant.htm
http://adlusa.us/search_warrant_and_affidavit_4-6-05.jpg
http://www.wkyc.com/galleries/031121green/2.asp
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5747828 - 06/13/06 11:09 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not disagreeing with you.
Again,
"I would recommend that there be more locked doors within your residence
If they break a lock or break a door down they'd better have a warrant, because you can prove that they did it. "
Key words *they'd better have a warrant*.
Which is why I said, "If you've got a broken lock, cop boot prints mid-door, and no warrant, you're in better shape than if they needed only turn a doornob."
But each time, you keep bringing up what a warrant covers. Am I missing something?
What I thought was being discussed, and maybe I'm reading it wrong, is the idea that if you have a locked *whatever*, you're going to have some evidence of it being opened. Be it a broken lock, or record of a locksmith. In such a case without a lock, the piggy could claim that he had probable cause because the door was wide open, etc. If probable cause (as well as warrant) does not exist outside of whatever must be broken into/open, you create a situation where you can more easily prove that the search was unlawful.
Additionally, it helps against cops making claims that you gave permission for the search. It seems like in most cases, cops like having other people open doors, briefcases, etc, in fear of... I don't know... bombs?
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5750131 - 06/14/06 03:59 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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You read it right. The point is just that. If you have additional locks on everything within the residence, you're much safer in situations when they don't have a warrant.
So for example, if you have all of your "questionables" in a locked toolbox/safe/or even a locked closet in a locked bedroom, you can feel much more at ease answering the door, you might even smile at the police. Maybe not.
You could theoretically even permit entry to part of the residence and serve the police coffee and doughnuts from time to time. You know they'd like that!
But they can't see what's in the toolbox.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5750985 - 06/14/06 08:12 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Glad I got the point. Was beginning to think I was crazy.
Eh, maybe I am, but at least it's not because of this thread. 
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5753593 - 06/15/06 01:30 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Microcosmatrix said:
You read it right. The point is just that. If you have additional locks on everything within the residence, you're much safer in situations when they don't have a warrant.
So for example, if you have all of your "questionables" in a locked toolbox/safe/or even a locked closet in a locked bedroom, you can feel much more at ease answering the door, you might even smile at the police. Maybe not.
You could theoretically even permit entry to part of the residence and serve the police coffee and doughnuts from time to time. You know they'd like that!
But they can't see what's in the toolbox.
firstly, if you're allowing thm into your house, they feel the need to check it
out for 'safty' reasons, it's legal for them to open any door in your home for
that purpose, if the door is locked they then can claim they feel the situation
has become unsafe and will insist you allow them access to those locked rooms
the courts have stated that an officer must do whats in the intrest of the
safety of all parties including the officer, refuse to unlock the door and
he can kick it in without repercussions, they are allowed to look anywhere
a normal adult could hide, that excludes trashcans, small storage bins, safes
and the cabinets, but doesnt exclude anything with a standard 3/0 door
NEVER allow a cop access to your home.
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