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 i8an8th
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 What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent?
#4800616 - 10/13/05 08:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? If they herd you might be growing shrooms..
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 Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: i8an8th]
#4800633 - 10/13/05 08:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you live in America, sometimes it almost seems like hearsay.
(I'm not sure for real, but honestly, doesn't it seem true?)
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: jarroddupont]
#4800638 - 10/13/05 08:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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BTW ...the proper forum for this is...COMMUNITY: SECURITY AND SAFETY
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: jarroddupont]
#4800641 - 10/13/05 08:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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probable cause.
even if they SAW you buy spores, they cannot do anything until they either see mushrooms growing, or see you selling them, or whatever.
Its awful hard to get a search warrant in america, so just be careful, and you wont get caught.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: i8an8th]
#4800669 - 10/13/05 08:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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i8an8th said:
What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? If they herd you might be growing shrooms..
it would take a credible witness, someone that can tell them the exact location
of where this grow is in your house, some one that knows you and the layout of
your house that has positively seen your grow, normaly cops dont even listen to
people that claim someone else is growing, they figure it's just some pissed
friend that wants to try getting even
"it's on the top shelf in his utility closet, you go in the front door, pass through the living room, down the hall and behind the 3rd door on the left"
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: i8an8th]
#4800673 - 10/13/05 08:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you suspect someone ratted you out, firstly, you broke the first rule
TELL NO ONE, NO ONE AT ALL, EVEN YOUR BEST FRIEND!
move your grow ot incenerate it
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4800824 - 10/13/05 09:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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MrKrinkle said:
Its awful hard to get a search warrant in america, so just be careful, and you wont get caught.
Who needs a search warrant? A cop can come knocking on your door, say that he smelled pot or saw something laying out and have reasonable suspicion to walk right into your house and spot your Martha just hanging out 
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Prisoner#1 said:
if you suspect someone ratted you out, firstly, you broke the first rule
TELL NO ONE, NO ONE AT ALL, EVEN YOUR BEST FRIEND!
That's some solid advice 
Only my wife knows and she is more paranoid than me about getting caught, so I have no worries about the cat getting out of the bag. My friends think I get them from a guy down the street. Every time they come by asking for shrooms, I will literally go to my stash and grab whatever they needed, then tell them I'm going to pick it up from the guy. I'll take a short drive, maybe to a gas station or something and come back in about ten minutes to give the illusion that there is actually this "guy" I get my shrooms from.
You NEVER want to let it out that you grow your own mushrooms. I don't care how badly you want others to see what you've accomplished. Friends and even relatives will fold on you when the cops start feeding them that BS about how much time they're gonna do if they don't rat you out. It CAN happen, it DOES happen and don't think it can never happen to you. 
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: FooMan]
#4800865 - 10/13/05 09:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks your for that advice... I didn't think cops could get a warrant just by word of mouth though.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: i8an8th]
#4800899 - 10/13/05 09:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cops don't need warrants to search anything. Have you ever been pulled over before and had your car searched for nothing? Not all cops are by-the-book. If they have what they deem "reasonable suspicion", like a pipe laying around or something, they can search whatever they want. The thing is that even if you don't have something that arouses suspicion, a cop can always just say there was something that made him suspicious and proceed with a search. I've had it happen to me a few times before. Cops can do whatever they want and the badge makes them more credible than you or me in the courts eye.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: FooMan]
#4801708 - 10/14/05 12:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well now, you must have had a pretty incompetent lawyer. If they commited the purgery of claiming at the time of the search that they could do so without your consent, then 100% of all evidence in the case would be invalid. The search was illegal and by means of the "fruit of the poisonous tree" law, all evidence which was yielded by such a search is inadmissible in court.
I'm glad to have taken a forensic science class in high school. The instructor was a police officer who had just retired after 30 years on the polic force. I know my rights upside-down and backwards.
Insufficient evidence, case dismissed. Cop reprimanded, suspended, or even fired if a repeat offense.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Konnrade]
#4802480 - 10/14/05 05:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You have alot to learn!  Between a cop's word and yours in court, who's the judge gonna believe? Are you so naive to think that a cop can't just make stuff up and even go as far as to plant evidence on you? Please don't give me that "I know the law" shit and tell me how good your attorney is. I don't give a fuck if Matlock himself is your attorney, unless you have videotape or some other solid proof in your favor,it's really your word versus the officers. Guess who's gonna win in court? Real life isn't an episode of CSI.
What you are trying to tell me is that without a warrant, a cop can't bust you? HAHA! WRONG! Let's say the cops are going door to door asking you and your neighbors about a recent burglary in the area. While the cops are talking to you, they notice your bong sitting out in the open... If you don't know how the rest of this story will play out, you really need to get out more.
My point isn't that the cops are just gonna come kicking in your door and search your house without a warrant. There are other ways to get busted and cops have produced warrants for nothing more than a high electric bill or things found in someones garbage left at the curb. I've seen cops that were chasing a suspect through a yard and happened to notice that someone had weed growing in their house through their window while running by.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Konnrade]
#4802491 - 10/14/05 05:42 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konnrade said:
Insufficient evidence, case dismissed. Cop reprimanded, suspended, or even fired if a repeat offense.
yeah right, I dont want to get into details of my experience but It can Happen man.... I had cops come to house dresed as the Gas company sayin they needed to read the meter in the basement to my peeps and they let them in then bam we had a high speed chase.... I did two yrs for that
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: mskip23]
#4802503 - 10/14/05 05:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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actually hes right. theres a fair in my state, lots of drugs there every year. lots. and the cops know it. well they sit on the highway waiting for everyone to leave at the end of the weekend and they pull over people for just about anything.
well last year in the paper it was talking about how they're not able to sit the cops out there anymore cuz all the cases are getting dismissed (cases being lots of pot, among other things, being found in the peoples cars) because of the cops searching the cars without sufficient reasons.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: day_tripper]
#4802514 - 10/14/05 06:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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day_tripper said:
actually hes right. theres a fair in my state, lots of drugs there every year. lots. and the cops know it. well they sit on the highway waiting for everyone to leave at the end of the weekend and they pull over people for just about anything.
well last year in the paper it was talking about how they're not able to sit the cops out there anymore cuz all the cases are getting dismissed (cases being lots of pot, among other things, being found in the peoples cars) because of the cops searching the cars without sufficient reasons.
You're talking about a totally different scenario than I am. Hundreds of people coming out of a rave and getting searched illegally is a little easier to prove in court.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: day_tripper]
#4802868 - 10/14/05 09:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah but I bet a lot of people still got busted or it wouldn't be talking about.......... it is a totally different scenario
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: mskip23]
#4802914 - 10/14/05 09:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Recently I've read a few news articles about cops swarming houses and busting MJ "Grow Ops".
Both times it was flowers in the yard that looked nothing like marijuana. One was sunflowers, not in bloom, another was the Texas state flower I believe. The homeowners were cuffed and completely ignored (more likely told to shut up) when they tried to tell them what plant it was.
At least one of the times, though I believe both, the entire thing came from some nosey neighbor down the road who reported a marijuana grow op, obviously without a shred of evidence.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: FooMan]
#4803028 - 10/14/05 10:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cops don't need warrants to search anything. Have you ever been pulled over before and had your car searched for nothing?
different rules apply to cars and residences.
for a search of your residence, they need a warrant.
there are a couple caveats. one is that if they see something in plain view or there is an emergency or crime in progress, they can go in without a warrant. even then there are rules that apply to what they can and cannot search. they can also perform a limited search incident to executing an arrest warrant in some situations.
yes, cops will perform illegal searches. they may or may not hold up in court. always defend your rights by protesting a search.
i say this as someone who beat cultivation charges on search and seizure grounds.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: wilshire]
#4803079 - 10/14/05 11:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rockin that you beat the charges wilshire.
As far as a car goes. A locked glovebox or trunk would hold more simillar rules to a residence, wouldn't it?
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#4803740 - 10/14/05 02:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope, if a cop has enough suspicion/cause to search your motor vehicle for something (lets say drugs), then they have the right to search anything that could potentially hold the drugs, including a locked glovebox or trunk.
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Re: What would it take for a cop to get a search warrent? [Re: FooMan]
#4803744 - 10/14/05 02:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
FooManShroom said:
Not all cops are by-the-book. If they have what they deem "reasonable suspicion", like a pipe laying around or something, they can search whatever they want.
The first sentence is sad but true.
The second part is also true, but they can only search that area I believe. That's why it's important to not leave everything out in the open.
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