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 Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod
#4792358 - 10/12/05 11:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, we're a completely secular nation with church and state separate.
WASHINGTON -
President Bush said Wednesday that Harriet Miers' religious beliefs figured into her nomination to the Supreme Court as a top-ranking Democrat warned against any "wink and a nod" campaign for confirmation.
"People are interested to know why I picked Harriet Miers," Bush told reporters at the White House. "They want to know Harriet Miers' background. They want to know as much as they possibly can before they form opinions. And part of Harriet Miers' life is her religion."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051012/ap_on_go_su_co/miers_48
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: dblaney]
#4792368 - 10/12/05 11:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who cares?
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: dblaney]
#4792374 - 10/12/05 11:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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She is an evangelical who has worked to get the
National Bar Association to rescind their support
for Roe v Wade.
Miers is a puppet for the Texas evangelical political
machine.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: afoaf]
#4792378 - 10/12/05 11:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bush Fails to Pick Stranger for Supreme Court
by Scott Ott
(2005-10-03) -- A clearly disappointed President George Bush this morning announced that he had failed to locate a total stranger to replace retiring Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, and was forced to settle for someone he knows and trusts.
In a news conference to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers, 60, as an associate justice on the high court, Mr. Bush admitted, "I don't get out much, and I don't personally know very many total strangers. So, I had to settle for someone whose views, personality, intellectual abilities and work habits were familiar to me. I hope the American people will eventually find it in their hearts to forgive me."
As news broke of this new setback for the Bush White House, the president's popularity rating plunged into the single digits and despondent Republican lawmakers wondered if their party could manage to "keep the doors open and the lights on" until the 2006 mid-term elections.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: The14thWarrior]
#4792399 - 10/12/05 11:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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where did I take issue with the fact that she's been
a close colleague from texas all the way to Washington?
though, considering how his buddies have performed in
other positions, I don't hold out much hope for this
particular croney.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: The14thWarrior]
#4792471 - 10/12/05 11:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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A clearly disappointed President George Bush this morning announced that he had failed to locate a total stranger to replace retiring Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, and was forced to settle for someone he knows and trusts.
Seeing how many "total strangers" there are in the US, I'm thinking he didn't try...at all.
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"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: afoaf]
#4792480 - 10/12/05 11:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hehe yeah man, I sincerely hope and expect Congress will not confirm her.
At the war protest a few weeks back, I saw the greatest get up, there was a man in a devil suit being the puppeteer for Cheney, who was the puppeteer for Bush.
This administration is not one I admire.
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"Belief is a beautiful armor
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: dblaney]
#4793249 - 10/12/05 02:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yet another Bush-bashing member of the mainstream media who lets her own preconceptions warp her ability to understand her native tongue.
The comments from Bush she quotes in no way indicate that Harriet Miers' religious beliefs figured into her nomination to the Supreme Court. Ms Pickler should head to her local community college and take a course in remedial reading comprehension.
Phred
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Phred]
#4793399 - 10/12/05 03:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe she's letting James Dobson's preconceptions warp her understanding.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: afoaf]
#4793423 - 10/12/05 03:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pretty weak. Religion doesn't make a good Justice, principle and understanding of Liberty does. Doesn't really seem like she has any of these. The "Oh see but she goes to Church!" is about the dumbest thing Bush could say.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Phred]
#4793436 - 10/12/05 03:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I beg to differ. I think that the very fact that Bush mentioned her religious beliefs and affiliation are indicitive of it being a factor, though you're right in that he didn't outright say so.
"People are interested to know why I picked Harriet Miers. They want to know Harriet Miers' background, they want to know as much as they possibly can before they form opinions. And part of Harriet Miers' life is her religion."
It's fair to say that a part of many peoples' lives is their religion, but to mention it in the same breath of explaining why he picked Miers leads me to believe that the religion part of her life actually played a part in her nomination.
Plus Bush is probably trying to get back to being the messiah for the religious right.
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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer
Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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 Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Divided_Sky]
#4793856 - 10/12/05 04:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Divided_Sky said:
Religion doesn't make a good Justice, principle and understanding of Liberty does. Doesn't really seem like she has any of these.
Maybe if we somehow insert that into his Bible, Bush will actually believe it.
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From Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172007,00.html
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Bush spoke before a radio broadcast airing Wednesday in which Focus on the Family President James Dobson (search), a leading conservative voice in America, says that White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove all but assured Dobson, in private, that Miers would be a candidate who could earn the support of conservative groups.
"What did Karl Rove say to me that I knew on Monday that I couldn't reveal? Well, it's what we all know now, that Harriet Miers is an evangelical Christian, that she is from a very conservative church, which is almost universally pro-life," says Dobson, adding that Miers had taken on the American Bar Association on the issue of abortion and been a member of Texas Right-to-Life.
Fucking shameless.
I was talking to a British student the other day. He was saying that if a politician starts talking about Jesus in the UK, it's basically professional suicide... I'd never felt so jealous.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Gijith]
#4797080 - 10/13/05 06:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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i wouldnt be surprised either way, if she was confirmed or rejected.
either way I am indifferent to rich white people deciding whats fair and unfair to the other 90% of the population.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: kotik]
#4797268 - 10/13/05 08:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I still think the "fix" is in. the Rep's and Dem's made a deal.
the bar has been set low and she will make a come back during the hearings.
what are the Dem's going to do, filibuster her because she is an evil christian?
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: dblaney]
#4797269 - 10/13/05 08:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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As religion is based on irrationality, that is what I would look for in a logical jurist. 
Of course, Conservatives think that being religious equates to being more moral, but not a single societal statistic bears that premise out.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: lonestar2004]
#4797279 - 10/13/05 08:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
lonestar2004 said:
I still think the "fix" is in. the Rep's and Dem's made a deal.
the bar has been set low and she will make a come back during the hearings.
what are the Dem's going to do, filibuster her because she is an evil christian?
That seems right on the money. With Rove apparently calling around to assure conservatives that she lives and dies by the word of God, there's no reason to think Miers won't go through.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Swami]
#4799568 - 10/13/05 04:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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As religion is based on irrationality, that is what I would look for in a logical jurist.
How many Supreme Court justices are atheists? How many are agnostics? Is the work of Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein invalidated by their religious beliefs?
I recall your beef with the January Iraq elections that they weren't "real" elections -- that the will of the majority was somehow not being fully catered to in those elections. This leads me to believe you are in favor of majority rule -- that you favor democratic principles when it comes to government.
The question I must ask then is -- since every census and survey and poll of the American populace since the beginning of such surveys and polls has shown the overwhelming majority of Americans profess to believe in God, why is it a big deal that a judge believes in God? Heck, even John F Kerry professes to believe in God, and look how close he came to winning the presidency.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Phred]
#4800059 - 10/13/05 06:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is not a great decision-making trait to base case outcomes on mythological books and imaginary people and deities. That to me is scary. Of course that is why we have the War on Drugs and other highly irrational acts that harm nearly everyone.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Swami]
#4800572 - 10/13/05 08:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is not a great decision-making trait to base case outcomes on mythological books and imaginary people and deities.
Agreed. What is your basis for assuming someone's belief in God will be the basis for deciding a point of law?
Which American president do you admire who professed not to believe in God? Which Supreme Court justice?
How did Isaac Newton's belief in God taint his decision making process? How did Einstein's?
Your unsupported assumption appears to be that if a judge believes in God, that judge is incapable of interpreting the US Constitution correctly. What is the basis for this assumption? Give us an argument showing only atheists or agnostics can interpret the law properly, please.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Phred]
#4801090 - 10/13/05 10:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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What is your basis for assuming someone's belief in God will be the basis for deciding a point of law?
Certainly you jest. Almost all law is based on religion which is why we have so many irrational laws. The recent Supreme Court ruling over State jurisdiction concerning Medical Marijuana (Raisch) should have been a slam dunk to anyone with even the basics of Constitutional Law and a normal degree of rationality.
1. It was the will of the people in that state (CA).
2. There was NO interstate commerce and yet that was the unbelievably irrational clause used to grant Federal Jurisdiction. (This is total kowtowing to Religious Conservative pressure and not interpreting Constitutional law).
3. The Constitution is VERY clear over what rights belong to the Federal government. Everything NOT covered is up to the individual states.
This is the type of horse shit that we have to look forward to in the coming years.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Swami]
#4801165 - 10/13/05 10:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Swami said:
Almost all law is based on religion which is why we have so many irrational laws.
Back up the first part please. Almost all laws? Name some, and when you do be sure to explain how they were an illogical call from religion and not from reason.
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The recent Supreme Court ruling over State jurisdiction concerning Medical Marijuana (Raisch) should have been a slam dunk to anyone with even the basics of Constitutional Law and a normal degree of rationality.
Medical marijuana.... religion?
You'll have to fill us in, because I don't know where to begin.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Swami]
#4802521 - 10/14/05 06:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Swami writes:
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Certainly you jest. Almost all law is based on religion which is why we have so many irrational laws.
"Almost all?" Certainly you jest. Please support this outrageous statement. The interstate commerce regulations (which you mention later in your post) are a result of religious beliefs? How do you figure that? Speed limits are based on religion? Building codes? Insider trading laws, anti-trust laws, copyright law? There are laws against murder, theft, and rape in every society known because they have identical religions?
Give us some examples of a few laws you claim wouldn't exist if legislators were atheists. You should have no difficulty whipping up a dozen if "almost all" law is based on religion.
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The recent Supreme Court ruling over State jurisdiction concerning Medical Marijuana (Raisch) should have been a slam dunk to anyone with even the basics of Constitutional Law and a normal degree of rationality.
Ooooo.... the Supreme Court makes unconstitutional rulings! Oh, the horror! What makes you think this is a case of religious bias? Roe vs Wade certainly is unconstitutional. What's the religious basis for it? Same with Kelo... what's the reiligious justification for allowing the state to seize your property to give to someone else who can pay more tax on it? Same with the many bad decisions which reference the interstate commerce clause as their excuse. These bogus decisions are based not on any religious bias, but on an erroneous and over-arching interpretation of the power the interstate commerce clause gives to the federal government.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Phred]
#4802853 - 10/14/05 09:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Phred, you hit the nail on the head with an earlier comment. When Bush makes these types of statements it makes it seem as though her religious beliefs WILL be the basis for her decisions on point of law.
I think this is where her experience and resume come into play (of which admittedly, I am not completely aware).
Regardless, Bush should have known better than to make such a statment.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: badchad]
#4802969 - 10/14/05 10:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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exactly.
the way I've interpreted all this is that he is stating
that she is qualified because of her religious
affiliation, not necessarily because of her experience
or understanding of juris prudence.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: afoaf]
#4802983 - 10/14/05 10:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't have a problem with her yet. What I do have a problem with is Bush's justification for appointing her because of her religion. He could at least lie to us.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Redstorm]
#4803073 - 10/14/05 11:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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