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 Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Swami]
#4801165 - 10/13/05 10:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Swami said:
Almost all law is based on religion which is why we have so many irrational laws.
Back up the first part please. Almost all laws? Name some, and when you do be sure to explain how they were an illogical call from religion and not from reason.
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The recent Supreme Court ruling over State jurisdiction concerning Medical Marijuana (Raisch) should have been a slam dunk to anyone with even the basics of Constitutional Law and a normal degree of rationality.
Medical marijuana.... religion?
You'll have to fill us in, because I don't know where to begin.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Swami]
#4802521 - 10/14/05 06:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Swami writes:
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Certainly you jest. Almost all law is based on religion which is why we have so many irrational laws.
"Almost all?" Certainly you jest. Please support this outrageous statement. The interstate commerce regulations (which you mention later in your post) are a result of religious beliefs? How do you figure that? Speed limits are based on religion? Building codes? Insider trading laws, anti-trust laws, copyright law? There are laws against murder, theft, and rape in every society known because they have identical religions?
Give us some examples of a few laws you claim wouldn't exist if legislators were atheists. You should have no difficulty whipping up a dozen if "almost all" law is based on religion.
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The recent Supreme Court ruling over State jurisdiction concerning Medical Marijuana (Raisch) should have been a slam dunk to anyone with even the basics of Constitutional Law and a normal degree of rationality.
Ooooo.... the Supreme Court makes unconstitutional rulings! Oh, the horror! What makes you think this is a case of religious bias? Roe vs Wade certainly is unconstitutional. What's the religious basis for it? Same with Kelo... what's the reiligious justification for allowing the state to seize your property to give to someone else who can pay more tax on it? Same with the many bad decisions which reference the interstate commerce clause as their excuse. These bogus decisions are based not on any religious bias, but on an erroneous and over-arching interpretation of the power the interstate commerce clause gives to the federal government.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Phred]
#4802853 - 10/14/05 09:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Phred, you hit the nail on the head with an earlier comment. When Bush makes these types of statements it makes it seem as though her religious beliefs WILL be the basis for her decisions on point of law.
I think this is where her experience and resume come into play (of which admittedly, I am not completely aware).
Regardless, Bush should have known better than to make such a statment.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: badchad]
#4802969 - 10/14/05 10:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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exactly.
the way I've interpreted all this is that he is stating
that she is qualified because of her religious
affiliation, not necessarily because of her experience
or understanding of juris prudence.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: afoaf]
#4802983 - 10/14/05 10:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't have a problem with her yet. What I do have a problem with is Bush's justification for appointing her because of her religion. He could at least lie to us.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Redstorm]
#4803073 - 10/14/05 11:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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he's all lied out...
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Redstorm]
#4803102 - 10/14/05 11:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bush didn't appoint her because of her religion. Show me a statement from Bush saying that was his motivation for the selection. You won't find one.
Before you all jump on me for defending Miers, let me state two things --
-- I am an atheist and have been for at least four decades. I was still in grade school when I decided there is no God.
-- I believe Bush squandered a golden opportunity by choosing Meirs. There were many more qualifed originalist applicants -- even female applicants -- available.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Phred]
#4803123 - 10/14/05 11:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well why was she chosen, then? It most certainly was not because of her experience.
Croneyism, perhaps?
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Redstorm]
#4803141 - 10/14/05 11:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the most likely explanation is the simplest one -- Bush knows her very well, therefore he is personally certain she will act as a strict originalist in the mode of Rehnquist or Scalia. He doesn't want to take a chance on someone he doesn't know personally very well, for fear of ending up placing another Souter on the court.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Phred]
#4803148 - 10/14/05 11:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I suppose that makes sense. I am just disapponted with the pick, that is all. My disappointment have nothing to do with liberal versus conservative values; I'm just somewhat worried about how she'll do.
Needless to say, I like Roberts much more than this pick. Perhaps Bush picked her b/c she is relatively unheard of, so that Democrats will have no dirt on her to give them an excuse to block her appointment?
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: Phred]
#4803450 - 10/14/05 01:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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that argument could just as easily be twisted to say that
"Bush knows her very well, therefore he is personally certain
she will act as an evangelically minded judge"
know what I mean?
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: afoaf]
#4803737 - 10/14/05 02:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Redstorm said
"so that Democrats will have no dirt on her to give them an excuse to block her appointment? "
Bingo. The Republican storm caught him off guard though.
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Re: Bush: Miers' Religion Cited in Court Nod [Re: dblaney]
#4805031 - 10/14/05 08:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hope they reject her on the basis of her past legal writings, on some issues she seems to have a really hard time stating her thoughts clearly on paper. Some of her writings come off as nothing more than pure gobblygook. I don't think she is intellectually qualified no matter what her religious faith might be.
But on the bright side, she did do volunteer work for Meals on Wheels, and that alone makes her qualified. 
Or maybe we should trust the President because he "knows her heart." 
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