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 Workman
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 Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4622758 - 09/05/05 02:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Once you get the spores as red as you can by whatever means, how about crossing them with these white spores printed from the PF Albino. Maybe it would result in pink spores  but I doubt it.
Pointer is 8.4 microns wide.
These spores are viable and germinate easily. I've isolated a monkaryotic strain from a single white spore and several dikaryotic strains from multispore. The prints currently are very light deposits, but I hope to eventually selectively breed something that produces dense white prints. Don't ask me why because I don't really see a purpose other than my own entertainment.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: Workman]
#4623827 - 09/05/05 07:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd love to. How can I beg a print?
RR
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4625493 - 09/06/05 12:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did not say you did anything wrong. READ MY POSTS.
DId YOU use REDSPORE protoplasts to mate with the PR monokaryon? ARe you going to use REdspore protoplsts to mate with the hybrid monokaryons? If so, why not just use protoplsts of Redspore to fuse with each other. That is all?
Have a nice day. I will refrain from saying anything in any of your posts, even when I am interested in doing so. In case you didn't notice, I was showing the most interest of anyone. 
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
#4626039 - 09/06/05 03:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did'nt know it red spores were such a big deal. I found a few growing in a field up in pensacola.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: shamanamba]
#4626522 - 09/06/05 05:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you find any more, I'd like a print. They're extremely rare.
RR
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mskip23
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4627192 - 09/06/05 08:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
If you find any more, I'd like a print. They're extremely rare.
RR
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4627278 - 09/06/05 08:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey roger, not meaning to be a wiseass or anything, but, if it really has red spores, then how can you positively identify it as a cubensis?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: MikeOLogical]
#4628359 - 09/07/05 12:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good question.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4629853 - 09/07/05 12:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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As per an earlier post that disapeared where I had mistakenly said that I hadn't gotten my most recent TEO I just wanted to correct that and say that I discovered that I in fact have gotten it (& it was on time - I just was unaware) ....and having cleared that up I suppose this post can be deleted by the deleter too! 
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4664580 - 09/15/05 11:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Red Spored Mutation probly woudnt germanate anyway
Like the ocasional mutated albino with no spores
or the ocasional brown spored mutant I see in P. semilanceata from time to time, those will not germinate either
in my experience a lack of proper pigmentation is the result of something gone terribly wrong in the karyogamy/meiosis/migration phase
of the nuclei, resulting in a spore that has no nuclei, or at least lacks the dna material needed for proper hypha development
IF in a case where mutations of this nature do germinate, it is highly unlikely that sucsesful mating will produce fruitbodies
Edited by noxy (09/16/05 07:48 AM)
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
#4685313 - 09/20/05 05:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Man ive been around thse forums for a long time, and every time i pop back there is someone trying to claim that they are responsible for something or other...
Saying Eontan is negative is a joke - he is trying to point out to the blind newbie that this is actually all bullshit and everyone who has an inkling about mushroom genetics or biology would know this after reading the first post in this thread... Why this belongs in the advanced cultivation forum is beyond me - perhaps a new forum 'fictional cultivation techniques' would be more suitable??
Firstly, red spores - who cares - all mushrooms are highly variable - every germination has the potential to throw out thousands of possible phenotype characteristics (be they wavy caps, albino characteristics, hyaline cystidia, sterile spores or funny coloured spores - but ofcourse these are never stable, and the rarer they are the less likely that they will remain after cultivation.
To expect a mushroom to have these characteristics from a multi spore inoculation is a dream. Claiming that your expertise is somehow resulting in these phenotypes is laughable, since the weirder ones tend to be the result of over cultivation (and subsequent mutation of small genetic stock) or the result of the mushroom trying to cope with poor fruiting conditions.
I agree with Eontan - what you have here is someone claiming the credit for a phenotype genetic fuckup - it happens naturally... Give nature the credit she deserves!
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: MisterZ]
#4685464 - 09/20/05 07:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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not trying to bash you or anything bluemeanie, more like asking a simple question.
many spore suppliers have the PF Albino Strain. from what i understand this strain came from PF himself by using UV light over many generations. i've never heard of anyone who has ordered PF Albino and gotten normal shrooms from the spores. so isnt it possible that one of the nature caused "mutations" (i agree nature has more to do with the various strains than anything) could have caused the red spored sub-species? and maybe just maybe someone somehow got "dead" spores to germinate or cross-breeded them or whatever. alot of people have claimed to have seen these red spored shrooms out in the wild before. while it isnt a stable strain, its just like any shroom, all beautiful and intriguing in their own right.
i'm personally in love with the tak mountain cube, even tho its just another cubensis, the size and decent potency are great. even tho i've had azurescens before i still prefer the taks.
my point being, dont trash on people's finds/claims.
i remember when the Lizard King found his new species in GA.
alot of people claimed it was p. atlantis.
but even the original collector of the atlantis went hunting with LK and said they weren't atlantis
then people claimed it was weii(not sure if thst the spelling)
even if THEY cant show you SOLID PROOF dont claim something is bullshit unless YOU have SOLID PROOF it is BS.
anyways once again, this isnt a thrashing or a bashing.
i just get tired of people talking shit about other people's claims.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#4687767 - 09/20/05 08:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's so great to have the knowledge base here with all the wonderful and experienced growers who are always happy and glad to share their insight and expertise with us. It makes the occasional arrogant asshole who can't read the thread before posting unsupported rants much easier to ignore.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4687782 - 09/20/05 08:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
It's so great to have the knowledge base here with all the wonderful and experienced growers who are always happy and glad to share their insight and expertise with us. It makes the occasional arrogant asshole who can't read much easier to ignore.
RR
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4687809 - 09/20/05 08:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Agreed indeed!!! lol! You've caught more hell over these threads than anyone i've ever seen. The work being performed here is great stuff people. You should enjoy the thread instead of making it miserable for people with interest. If you have something mean to say that's going nowhere, keep it to yourselves instead of ruining the thread with mean remarks about it. Nice work as usual man...
Edited by hotnutz (09/20/05 08:41 PM)
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: MisterZ]
#4691268 - 09/21/05 05:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bluemeanie thanks for the defense and all, but you should read the thread. You might find something interesting is going on.
Apparently the guy has managed to isolate a protoplast from a sexual spore and fuse it with a monokaryon of another strain. This HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE with sexual spores that I have heard of. I know asexual spores are easier to dissolve the cell wall, and they have been used.
The redspore trait seems to be important to alot of folks here, and trying to maintain it is a positive. They way it is being maintained is even more impressive.
All of my percieved negativity was definetly misunderstood, and I was simply trying to tease some methodology out of the poster. I DID post a simple fact that once recombination occurs, you cannot ever REMOVE the PUERTO RICAN component completely. This was interpereted as me being negative about the whole thing.
I say we leave this one alone until the article comes out, and it is available for peer review.
Good luck Roger Rabbit, I like your posts. Sorry for all this chaos.
Did I just post in a thread I said I would not post in again. Sorry.
Bluemeanie please read the whole thread. He is not claiming to have made the redspore. The redspore was found in nature.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: EonTan]
#4691467 - 09/21/05 06:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks EonTan. So sorry for any misunderstanding. The red spore dropping trait is important in that it's something that separates this strain from nearly all the others. As we all know, there is very little difference between the various strains out there. So far, about 20% of the offspring from the first pairing drops red spores. The other 80% have the traditional color. I'm hoping with lots of work and the help of the OMC that 20% can be raised to near 100%. You are correct I believe, I doubt the PR component can ever be removed entirely, but can certainly be diluted by selective breeding/printing. For those of you who get the first batch of prints, all I ask is that you only print the red spore dropping caps. Stephen has announced that a small print sample will be going out in the November issue of Teo.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4692902 - 09/21/05 10:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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well so far i know cubensis produces the normal brownish-purple spores and a severely recessive red spore trait. are there any other known colors of spores that cubensis can produce? i think i once read that there was a white spored cubensis at one time?
A quick question to RR.
the FMRC told me they no longer "release" the blue-glass sclerotia.
Psycho-Sapphire i believe it was called.
Knowing you have many different strains and species, would you happen to have any of these spores? I currently grow PESA, however i've become addicted to collecting spore prints just to keep as a nice little personal collection. I'm having a hell of a time trying to find spore prints of Gymnopilus sapineus. anyways i've gotten way off topic.
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#4708347 - 09/25/05 02:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got my copy of TMC the other day... i thought it was the TEO with the redspore print, i was bummed when i opened it ...
roger, are you selecting all of the red spore prints that come up, or are you looking for ones that are redder than the others? and are there any specimens showing both red and purple spore?
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Re: The Return of the Red Spore Cubensis [Re: MikeOLogical]
#4708982 - 09/25/05 08:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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From the first(and only) red spore mushroom to fruit after the cross, several substrains were isolated on agar. Of those, 80% displayed the 'normal' colored spores. Two of the isolates displayed spores that were very close to the original spore sample that was sent of the 20 year old spores. Spores from those two isolates were grown out and about 50% of the fruits displayed the red spore color, although not as 'red' as the original, due to the PR content. Those are the prints that were sent to fmrc for distribution in the next(november) issue. The strain is really cool and fun to work with, but not yet stable in that not all of the fruits will display the red spore color. I have no commercial interest in this, so am not interested in doing a dozen or so generations to get a pure strain. The strain is being released 'as is' so anyone who wants to try their hand at it can help themselves. I would recommend all who get it only propagate the red spore dropping fruits.
Another interesting characteristic of the strain is that it bruises green where damaged as can be seen from the picture below.
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