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 Gomp
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 Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: tomk]
#4399315 - 07/13/05 10:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gomp -
This forum is not the place to be making jokes. If you read the rules, you will find that they are explicit about this.
Even if a normal person could understand it's a joke, things like "just go ahead and do it if you are serious" could end up contributing to someones suicide. Among other things, there are people who go through a stage when suicidal when they feel like they want to die and are either unsure about how to best do it, or just waiting for a few more good things in life to happen before killing themselves*, that are very serious (they are treated like heart attack victims in an emergency room i.e. highest priority). Shit like your jokes could push these people over the edge.
*I've been here, and I was serious at the time.
thank you for misinterpreting my post, it looks as if you are payed to make up this crap..
find the original thread, and compare it to that statement of yours? you will find I never said it like that,...
But who cares.. My help is just that, I could not care less 
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 Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: Gomp]
#4412412 - 07/16/05 05:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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GOD loves all his children so y would he punish them if they committed suicide? i think suicide is just a permanent answer to a temporary problem. but i known may ppl who have wanted to kill themselves and jus talk to thm y. i dont personally my friends who were suicidal i never gave a fuck if they killed themselves.
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: matjiz]
#4426030 - 07/19/05 11:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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My two cents would be this....
what is the self? Find the suicidal person in yourself.....
The way you sit with that is exactly how you will sit with them.
I have a degree is psych and work at a mental hospital. I see quite a few suicidal patients (I work with children specifically)....I always find them extremely beautiful
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: tomk]
#4490609 - 08/03/05 03:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've been a crisis intervention specialist in one of our nation's largest school systems for almost 20 years. I learned something from Ram Dass a long time ago which went something like this:
I know that you're gonna do whatever it is that you're gonna do, but I want you to know that I'm here for you if you want to talk.
Now this seems like nothing to some people at first, but there is some deep insight that Ram Dass was working with. Firstly, suicide is one of the the biggest control acts one can play (so are hostage-taking and rape). One assumes the power to end one's life, and this ego-trip should not be challenged, so saying that 'you're gonna do whatever...' acknowledges that self-empowerment that the suicidal person assumes. Secondly, by making oneself available to talk (and listen!) instead of taking self-destructive action, a choice is put out there. Frequently, the suicidal person believes that there IS no choice - death is the only option. Thirdly, taking a passive stance to communicate further acknowledges (in hypnotherapy we say it 'compounds the suggestion') that the suicidal person is in charge, has personal power, can choose to talk instead, is not powerless. In effect, by going with the suicidal person's flow, while at the same time expressing one's preference that [s]he not commit suicide, it also gives the suicidal person an opportunity to be compassionate to the helper and an 'excuse' as it were, to be compassionate to him/herself.
This kind of interaction is not to be entered into without a real appreciation of the potential consequences, and it is a fine line between acknowledging a potential suicide's personal power and having that person misunderstand you as encouraging him/her to commit suicide. Giving 'reasons' for living is not the strategy. The whole point is in the 'moment' of 'being there' as present, as aware and as compassionately as possible. Emotional drama is also not the strategy - it just reveals the 'helper's' own fears about death to the potential suicide.
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*Mod edit: This thread is not the place for offensive comments.*
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: FungusMan]
#4542031 - 08/16/05 11:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: Gomp]
#4543976 - 08/16/05 08:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would like to ask, how can you make a judgement.. of...
" think a lot of shroomerites are suicidal."
Why do you believe alot of people who specifically take shrooms, are suicidal?
To be honest, after seeing some truths without ego, it certainly hasnt made me contemplate suicide, but made me very uneasy about normal accepted behaviours of people on earth, knowing it would be rejected if I was to bring it up in say a workplace.
What do you think?
Also, do you think its the shrooms that makes them suicidal?
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: scotsmushie]
#4690952 - 09/21/05 04:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do not believe that mushrooms themselves will bring about suicidal thoughts or tendencies in people. What tomk was saying about " think a lot of shroomerites are suicidal." is that there are many people who visit this board, and in my experience, drug boards in general, who express suicidal feelings. You can search through past threads and you can be sure to find many about this topic. One that stands out in my mind that is recent is the thread by EllemyshShade.
There is a lot of compassion to be found here. This is one place that you can go to where you will not be silenced, and most probably will be listened to and helped. 
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: scotsmushie]
#4691339 - 09/21/05 05:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe perspective is a very big factor in suicide. For the moment, if one believes they somehow found the meaning of life and somehow took life meaningless. This I would think would be the back up excuse for a suicidal person putting aside the reason towards some conflict. I actually find it to be an anomaly that one has the ability to take their own life, where psychiatrists try a bit more to generalize the concepts of the human mind with their treatments = their answer. So its probably important to make note of the power of choices, because there are bad ones. But im even to assume that the wiser people that commit suicide over the fact that there was nothing to live for, the minute they fall off a building or the split second before the bullet penetrates the skull, they most likely contemplate the value of superficiality. Where is the virtue in whats superficial? But you think about it, its the little things in life that make it so worth living. No one can expect happiness 24/7, if anyone is then their probably cokeheads. I cant think of any way to talk someone out of suicide, if we are as unique as God tells us. But I believe there are alot of things the suicidal victem ignores, besides the fact I have no idea what he/she is going through. If we really are worth nothing more than rocks, why should that even effect us. In fact even for those who value themselves as Children of God, are we soo significant to actually sin against, the God almighty? Beyond infinity, beyond matter. We should really keep in mind that our mind can overcome anything, even more so with our spirits. Patience is a very important virtue indeed. Stay strong people, life is pretty unpredictable. Its time to decide wether or not you value your life, or your tendency.
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: Jon]
#4714036 - 09/26/05 12:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been there! I've been suicidal! The best advice to anyone dealing with someone who's suicidal let them know that you love them! Let them know that you are always there for them 24/7. Let them know that they are not alone and there's a reason to stay alive... Whatever that reason is but don't be stupid enough to say: You should stay alive cause we gotta test more drugs... That would be a stupid reason :P Like yeah when we tested everything you can die then it ain't my prob anymore lol
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: Brakkie]
#4718648 - 09/27/05 04:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmmmm... How to Respond to a suicidal person? Make them a martini dry (with an olive , joke that its shaken but not stirred) and put on some music and tell them,that since they are already contemplating to end their life ,it wouldnt hurt more to listen closely to the lyrics of a song.
The song?
"Suicide" by Bobby Gaylor
Here are the lyrics:
Animals don't have a choice.
If they're not happy with their place in the world... too bad.
They have to live the life they've been given.
Humans, on the other hand, don't have to.
We have a choice.
If you don't like your place in the world, you can get off anytime you want.
Suicide. That's right.
You don't like the way your life's going,
you don't like the way you are in the world,
anything around you, you can check out anytime you like.
Animals aren't allowed that thought
and believe me, if they were, they would use it.
There'd be a lot of dogs and cats, owned by assholes
that live in high-rises, diving out the windows.
Zebras... if they even had remotely that thought
would take a look at themselves and go, "What the F*#K!
Black & white in a green & brown world... this blows.
I'm just gonna jump in the river....
I don't have a thumb to work a gun or hold a knife
or even open a jar of pills.
I'm just gonna dive into the next lion's mouth.
Why even bother?"
Now, monkeys have the opposable thumb
so they could kinda do it the exact same way we do.
Now, there's a bunch of people that say,
"Oh, it's against the law".
Well, it's only against the law if you do a crappy job and get caught.
Other people say, "Oh, we should save them".
Yeah, well you know what?
Not everybody wants to be saved.
Not everybody should be saved.
And who are we to force our will upon them?
I mean, isn't that one of the joys about being a human?
Freedom of choice?
Now, it's not all bad.
Now, I'm not saying "Kill yourself".
But if you're gonna be an idiot and do it anyway,
it's no sweat off of my back.
There's a lot of good that could come from it.
A little bit of bad thrown in.
Some of the things:
A job will open...
An apartment will become available...
There'll be more air for me...
They say there's two girls for every guy - if you're a man,
there'll be four chicks for me...
There'll be more Ketel One vodka for me...
There'll be one less idiot in line at the bank who gets up to the window
without their F*#King slips filled out...
I won't ever have to go to the store to buy my favorite Salt & Vinegar Chips
and have the clerk point at you and say, "They bought the last bag"....
You won't help change the McDonald's sign to a Hundred Billion Served...
You'll never get AIDS...
You won't have to worry about calories ever...
No more, "Hey, does this make me look fat?"...
There'll be one less polluting human...
You won't have to recycle... There'll be one less car on the road...
There'll be more Ring Dings for me...
Fifty or so chickens' lives will be spared...
Your fingers won't ever get red from eating pistachios...
You won't be forced to visit your Grandparents on Sundays anymore...
No more church...
You'll be saying, "Hey, World - Kiss My Ass!"...
No more wet dreams about Supermodels...
No more Barry Manilow... Not for a few years anyway...
Wondering "Am I a loser?" will be a thing of the past...
Say good-bye to crappy Xmas presents from Aunts and Uncles...
You won't have to suffer through a Motley Crue reunion...
F*#K flossing and brushing...
You'll never lose sleep over a pregnancy scare...
Adios, Acne...
Worrying whether you fit in or not won't be on your brain...
See ya later, homework...
You'll never have to sit through another movie brought to you
by the creators of South Park...
School's out forever....
No more paying bills...
You won't have to do chores...
You won't be able to run over toads with the lawnmower though...
You'll also miss McDonald's French Fries...
Bugs Bunny...
The amazing electrifying feeling that surges through your body
when you kiss someone for the first time...
You won't be able to watch the letterbox director's cut of Jaws...
Candy...
Living above ground...
Pudding crust...
You'll miss the rush of getting your first apartment...
Getting to the point in your life where you can tell your parents to "F*#K Off!
I gotta make my own mistakes, you did"...
You'll miss sex - you'll miss thinking about it, looking for it,
sex by yourself, sex with a partner, sex with multiple partners...
No more summer nights that seem to go on forever... Roller coasters....
Naming your kid the name you always wanted...
Making a difference in the world...
You'll miss the experience and pleasure of Hallucinogenics...
Watching your neighbor's wife change clothes with her blinds open...
A lifetime of masturbating...
Watching your favorite team sweep the series...
Music, you will definitely miss music...
Trying to sneak into your house drunk - three hours past your curfew...
You'll miss the blaze and glory of the 4th of July fireworks...
The taste of Captain Crunch...
If you're a boy, you'll miss the feeling the first time you reach up a girl's shirt...
If you're a girl, the feeling the first time you reach down a boy's pants...
You'll miss your favorite coat...
Waffles with whipped cream and strawberries...
Beating your friends at video games...
You won't be around to see what shape and color
the new marshmallow in Lucky Charms will be...
You'll miss the feeling you get when reminiscing
about your first love - thirty years after the fact...
The joy of giving and receiving at Christmas... Skinny dipping...
Getting stoned, reading Green Eggs & Ham,
and eating like a horse that got loose in the grain bin...
Flying cars...
Hey, you were born, finish what you started!
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: Psiloman]
#4721070 - 09/27/05 04:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: tomk]
#4721598 - 09/27/05 06:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mushrooms, like all drugs, deplete chemicals in our simple human minds. these chemicals are essential to our mental health. when they get low, we can get very depressed. take all depression seriousely, especially by people who use drugs or drink eccesively
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: psilocyb0rg]
#4726754 - 09/28/05 06:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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very good post tomk...
peace
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: cateyes]
#4874204 - 10/31/05 08:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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you know, in some cultures suicide is respected.
it would make sense that the same people that are so against suicide are probably also against abortion, since the two are related.
either way, it is a personal thing, and coming close to death is enlightening. perhaps a failed suicide attempt is just the right catalyst for someone to appreciate their life.
In the early 21st century, an average of 30,000 Japanese killed themselves every year.
the Church of Euthanasia says that people should kill themselves in order to reduce mankind's stress on the environment.
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- Suicide is the eighth leading cause of death for all U.S. men (Anderson and Smith 2003).
- Males are four times more likely to die from suicide than females (CDC 2004).
( http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/suifacts.htm )
basically, without trying to sound frigid, suicide is usually just a cry for attention. the bad part is that if the suicidal person gets the attention they wanted from mentioning suicide, or attempting it.. this can actually create a system inside their mind where suicide = attention, so they may continue for quite a while.
since i dont have much experience with actually helping someone from beginning to end with suicidal tendencies, i would suggest getting them out of their normal environment and have them interact with more people, and get a hobby.
intense emotional or physical pain could very well lead someone into thinking suicide is the answer, and who are any of us to sit here and judge them, but it's more reasonable to view this as an inability to cope with stress, which could be from anything.. from a poor diet, to a poor circadian rhythm, to a bad mix of drugs, to a bad childhood, etc. etc.
in any situation, it is a mental outlook that not existing is better than existing in the current state. while i would hesitate to call it selfish, i would certainly call it ignorant, pathetic, and overall a bad idea.
regarding the statement that animals don't kill/hurt themselves to releive stress
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Octopuses can sometimes suffer from autophagy, or self-cannibalism. That is what is described as "eating its own arms." This is caused by stress. A stressed animal is not a healthy animal and is open to infection. It is believed that it is caused by a virus/bacteria which can manage to take hold on a stressed octopus. The biting is said to be due to irritation and biting alleviates the affected area.
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Some animals can become stressed or bored to the extent of self-mutilation. Some parrots, again an "intelligent" animal, will pluck all its own feathers out. This is very common in captive birds. It can be cured by stimulation. Give it toys, some company, a more natural aviary and it soon stops.
so basically, the same thing. a healthy, happy person would have no reason to commit suicide if it was not part of the culture. Culture being an external force, poor environment, societal pressure, emotional stress, poor diet, all these are external forces.
http://www.tonmo.com/articles/octosuicide.php
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: kotik]
#4970898 - 11/22/05 10:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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obviously icelander has never been depressed. you really can't understand what its like to feel that way unless you've been there. i wish people could be a little more considerate though. jesus.
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 Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: tomk]
#5118896 - 12/29/05 01:09 PM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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When responding to anyone please remember that you can't help an adult and trying will just piss them off. The best you can do is care for them and offer your assistance.
Personally I feel anyone who would try to help someone by calling the cops is a useless asshole. If you care then do it yourself. If you don't, leave'em the hell alone! Don't do things just because you think you should.
To anyone considering suicide I would offer this advice.
Go to a wooded area and find a secluded spot.
Don't take any food, water, drugs, or phones. Leave it in your vehicle you might want it latter.
Take off all your clothes, lay down on the ground and don't move. This is what death is like.
Stay like this until you've made your choice. You have about three days before the situation gets dire, so take your time.
If you decide you still wanna die then you don't even have to move as you've already begun the decaying process. No ropes, guns, razors, pills, or high ledges required.
If you choose to live then get up, go home, masturbate in the shower, put on some comfortable clothes, get something to eat, and think about what you wanna do next in life. Try laughing at the cosmic joke. Its here for our amusement.
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: tomk]
#5118914 - 12/29/05 01:13 PM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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Knowing a few formerly suicidal people, and being formerly suicidal myself, the best thing that I can think of to help would be to spend time with them.
If I get the feeling that one of my friends is feeling really down, I will take them out and go do something with them.. showing them that you care. This seems to help get their minds off of it.. in my experience anyways. Everyone is different.
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: eris]
#5207481 - 01/21/06 06:45 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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The post was horrible what a sucidal person really wants is to be alone and away from society. They want to be alone until they have fixed their depression. They want solutions to their problems that's way they talk to people about it. Depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain so its really not their fault for feeling suicidal.
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Re: How to respond to a suicidal person [Re: Jackattack]
#5207493 - 01/21/06 06:51 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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DO NOT ask them if they are having suicidal thoughts. This will cause him to have more suicidal thoughts! The best you can do is act like he's just another average joe.
Edited by Jackattack (01/21/06 06:53 PM)
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