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 liveby
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 Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: DeQuincy]
#4398965 - 07/13/05 07:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wet my pants , nice pictures
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: liveby]
#4403521 - 07/14/05 12:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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my garden poppies are doing great cept for SHITWADS of aphids.
evry plant has them, and they are growing and spreading like cancer.
my nigrums finished and the pods are huge for such small plants, and aphids are starting to get at pods and buds.
so evry other day ive been wetting foliage and sprinkling juvenile ladybugs that i got at the garden center into the foliage.
ive already noiced adults and larvae present, but my aphid problem requires MORE!!
some of my gigs are 4 ft tall and will be an easy 6 by the time they finish. ive got some massive cabbage stretching too. ive also got some signs of nute deficiency (new leaves forming white and twisted) but only in a few and probably due to crowding. plus we have had an overcast rainy week.
they really needsome sun.
i haven checked my wild pach in days, im hoping the pods will dry on he plants nbecaue the ones i tried to dry shriveled up.
i just hope in he meantime nobody fucks them up.
i also hope he ladybugs work.
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Mitchnast
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4404053 - 07/14/05 02:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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and some ladybugs doing the work
some datura and morning glory
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4405556 - 07/14/05 08:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just found out aphids have live young, and they are actually born pregnant!
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Edited by JaguarWarrior101 (07/14/05 08:25 PM)
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
#4406057 - 07/14/05 10:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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JaguarWarrior101 - Hah, that is pretty crazy.
And Mitchncast - Nice beds man, very even, i can't wait till they bloom 
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Mitchnast
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: rocknliam]
#4408945 - 07/15/05 06:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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they are starting o bloom now.
in other news.
heres some in the wild note how dispite their great opium potential, i do not lance them.
i wish them to dry on the plant for botanical decor.
  
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Mitchnast
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4416307 - 07/17/05 07:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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tip for those scraping up opium resudie.
cooked opium is sticky gooey crap. if youre not careful you will lose half of it into the cleanup.
wetting your fingertip slightly will allow you to handle it withought it becomming a smeary mess, a tiny bit will disolve,
but nothing compaired to the mess caused by getting hunks smeared accross the fingertips, knives, and work surfaces.
by wetting a fingertip you can actually push the tar off the knife into the final container. no more knife-to knife nonsense.
you can always lick the film off your finger if you want a taste anyway. this meathod should produce a very bitter-sweet substance.
oh, and by the way. i saw the ice-o-lation process done. and it works very well, best way ive ever seen. you don't have to use a warm bath, you can use a pan in the oven, just keep he temp at a minimum. most ovens are in farenheight, set it to 150f and you wont destroy the secondary potentiators and still dry the product quickly, which are destroyed at about 167f or 75 c. the cold water extracion part also works well. you don't need much water, opium disolves INCREDIBLY willingly. it will even dissolve into slightly wet opium, so he saturaion point of opium into water is quite high.
a low dry heat beats a warm bath when reducing to final product. and its much faster.
use a very flat surface, if you get dry spots, just push goo over the dry patch and the dry crusty stuff will redissolve into the goo. contunue drying
if you cant get all the opium scraped up, (it is sticky and soft) re-use the same pan next time, that way it will dissolve back ino the next generation.
the final product of the ice-o-lationmeathod is straightup black tar opium. nothing putty about it.
you do get some parcipitate if you cut corners, (sugars and fats) but nothing compaired to puty techniques.
sugars and fats fall out of soluion before opium, you can use a coffee filter at near-completion to be rid of them entirely, youll be able to see them as a brownish fluffy sediment suspended in the fluid.
FOAF tried this and wanted you all to know the things above for informative reference. he also said be careful and be safe. i concurr
he likes the forum.
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4416867 - 07/17/05 10:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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heres a pic of 16 grams of cold-cooked opium
arguably it should be substantially more potent than the heat-cooked variety.
FOAF hasnt tried it yet. i will update when he does.
he grows the same type of poppy as me.he wants to use my poppies, even offered me twice the floral value. but i told him sorry, i don't wanna get mixed up with production of a schedule 1 narcotic.
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Mitchnast
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4417006 - 07/17/05 10:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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foaf has another tip for geting all the opium back,
if you cant scrape it all up out of the pan, pour a bit of water in the pan and rub it back into solution. pour it ino a glass and voila, poppy tea. you can also wash your razor, any foil you used for drying or storing, and the opium container when its all gone. Not one little bit need be wasted. as long as you have a little water, you can always reclaim it from even the most complicated of media.
it disolves better than sugar.
so no more messing around for those of you who make mesess
the cleanup water is some potent tea. your reward for a job well done.
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4418589 - 07/18/05 10:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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notice how the plants in the shady part of the garden are all toppled over, direct sun is imporant.
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: liveby]
#4422532 - 07/19/05 07:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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As last note I would like to add, that, when observing frozen bottles of iceolateonic, which lied in the freezer for too long, I see dendrites of concentrate.
Upon melting, these "veins" liquify firstly, hence giving rise to probably an easier, quicker and more reproducable procedure for iceolating.
This is a passage from Ab Strak regarding this tek. I'm wondering if any here have experimented with this tek in this regard?
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Mitchnast
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: justb]
#4423513 - 07/19/05 12:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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couple pics from the gartden today,
got some nice danish flags out a few peoniflorum bastard crosses. tons of garnet red poppies. and the gigs are in full swing. still waiting for my venus, and black peonys.
if i dont get them im taking pics of what came up in their place and demanding my 6.99 back
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Mitchnast
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4423519 - 07/19/05 12:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh yes notice the second last pic, the tiki in the background, i found washed up on the beach 2 years ago in halls harbour. it was completely covered wih seaweeds and sponges. i thought it was a log of driftwood untill i picked it up.
the neighbors joke that its why my garden grows so well.
....or why im plagued with aphids.
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4424634 - 07/19/05 05:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just got to say.. this thread is turning out so beautifully, with the TEKs and the photoshoots.. Wow.
Let's keep it coming!
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#4427939 - 07/20/05 11:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mitchnast
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4428621 - 07/20/05 01:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mitchnast
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4438365 - 07/22/05 02:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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floral arrangement
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Mitchnast
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4441215 - 07/23/05 01:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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friend tried the opium,
smoked, waste of product, barely threshold
however, two knifetips ingested resulted in intense waves of gushing analgesia and euphoria for hours.
certainly a strong substance, not to be taken lightly
fast acting, powerful, and to the point.
in about 15 minute he was gushing, after an hour and a half he reported he experience still intensifying.
he talked and talked about anything he was thinking about, normally hes rather quiet. tried to initiate contact with passing strangers, when normally he has a hard time breaking the ice. claimed to have little control of his mind.
sounded like fun. i cant do it tho.  better half sees it as too risky.
i think i would use it for pain tho.
realistically. when do i get in any real pain?
oh well. just thought i would let you all know i know a guy who did it and he was obvously having a great time for only a small bit. probably a half gram. one max.
he said he could really see the addiction potential. compared it to 4 "T4"s
never tried those myself. so i doesn't help me get the idea but i immagine alot of folks here know what that's like.
i smoked some weed tho. i found evrything he was saying brilliantly hilarious.
he was making pictures in his mind clear as day, he said he saw a huge spacecraft moving slowly by. i mentioned things like someone through a porthole or an astronaught sparkwelding on the hull and he would see it.
o then i said "immaging a turtle, with a confused look on his face"
and bam he saw it.
by this time he forgot the game and he cut the next description short to hurry me allong to the punchline. thinking that i was building up some long-winded joke.
he was also singing some song on the radio, and slipped in ideas beween the words, the only thing he could think of tho was "im a retard" and he was grinning powefully the whole time. he also bought a slice of pizza and tore it into many small squares and left it on the bench.
alo at ome point he tried to fight, but ended up in the bushes hunched over a public steel ashtray.
then he wanted to try hitting me with a stick, i let him but expressed concern that it would look bad. so he started hitting a bench and then realized it was making alot of noise, then away we went.
later we were pretending to be aliens and i was whining on and on about the drugery of anal probes and mind wipes. and he was advocating the masters superiority. somehow this got inot a discussion about making really good virtual reality with polarized contact lenses with fiber optic imaging.
and how it could be used to change the world. like kidnap the preident tie him to a bed and force a false reality of an aliean autopsy directly into his eyes. then showing a brain transfer, and implant with boot up screen so he would think his brain was stolen and put into a puppet body..
it was alot of fun. i was having almost as much fun just hanging with him
i never thought it as a social drug before, guess for some it is.
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My one surviving poppy! This was the first day he bloomed.
Bloom
A bit over 2 feet tall
Unfortunately I had to kill it. Apparently my mother is familiar with poppies.
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Mitchnast
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: justb]
#4443597 - 07/23/05 03:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
As last note I would like to add, that, when observing frozen bottles of iceolateonic, which lied in the freezer for too long, I see dendrites of concentrate.
Upon melting, these "veins" liquify firstly, hence giving rise to probably an easier, quicker and more reproducable procedure for iceolating.
oh hmm, so one could use many containers and combine a final inensified product for low-heat reduction, producing a very thick and substantial film. wouldnt multi-stage freezing and seiving be slightly more efficient at retaining solution,
i just think perhaps over freezing would trap desired dissolved particles in pockets of ice. and therefore lose more final product
then again. you can always save the meltwater and use it for another extraction with another bunch of material.
logistically speaking you dont have to lose anything, because evrything disolves in cold water.
you just get a ladder of refinement going, and the final unobtainable ammount (bottom of the ladder when you run out of pods) could just be swallowed up in the form of tea.
hmm. too easy.
vERY too easy. this technique, if it became used in any semblence of mainstream would lead to a SERIOUS crackdown on poppy cultivation.
floral enthusiasts like me would suffer. i cannott stress enough caution. if youre making this stuff and getting addicted, YIKES, youre on a fast road to trouble
it would be so easy to support your habit and also make money pushing opium to the general drug-class.
the gold would go through their veins, like a thousand railroad trains...
god i hope nobody opens that pandoras box. this stuff started wars. can you immagine if a perfect drug like cold-extract opium became popular?
i find the idea scary, the more i find about about papaver somnniferum, the more i feel near a curse. it scares me,
its like i was burried and forgotten. and here us kids of a new generation withought the understanding of the socio-cultural impact of a easily obtained powerful narcotic, have dug up the old ways.
its too eay for a moron to do this.
i almost feel bad that were discusing it. because where creating knowlage that could and almost certainly WOULD be abused.
scary.
can you immagine people justifying their usage, and not realizing how much they need it.
*shudder*
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