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 OldWoodSpecter
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 Re: what you are interested in is also a habit [Re: redgreenvines]
#3990109 - 03/30/05 11:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I still doidn't get what is wrong with that question, could you explain it?
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uriahchase
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Re: what you are interested in is also a habit [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#3990161 - 03/30/05 11:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i was going to post about this today myself as a matter of fact!
lately i been having "interesting" "thoughts" and "visions" during falling to sleep. (takes about an hour or so to actually fall asleep)
mostly i think im crazy... a little.
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Quote:
OldWoodSpecter said:
I know it is a preference, drugs are just tools, but I think if a bird has wings, it is more natural for it to fly like that instead of going by plane.
I don't want to depend on chemicals to change my states of mind.
I like being a closed independent system.
After all it is your brain that does all these great things, drugs just trigger them, so there is a way to trigger them without drugs.
While I respect your decision, as it is certainly an area where a lot of caution needs to be exercised, I personally don't refuse drug induced experiences because it is not a "natural" state of operation, as these chemicals are not necessary for functioning (I do, however, note that you used the term "depend", in which case I do agree, that one shouldn't depend only on drugs for their results).
And I certainly disagree with the statement "being a closed, independant system".  For one thing, that is completely impossible in every single sense that it might be possibly applicable. Every variable in the universe is mutally arising, constantly in a state of interaction with every single other variable in the universe. There is absolutely no "independance" in these regards, every single second your life hangs by a delicate interface known as breathing. Yourself and your "external" environment are having intercourse. 
I also don't agree with the statement that "drugs only trigger them", as this is demonstratably not true. It is an interaction between these chemicals and your physical body. A brain cannot actually reproduce an authentic drug experience (even though it might be able to create an almost accurate representation of one). Also to be noted is that one might be able to imagine what an experience might be like while under the influence of a certain drug, and then to compare that with one's own experience, but these experiences are not the same. Many psychadelic experiences transcend any capabilites to represent this experience to others, and what is communciated barely scratches the surface.
If one does not wish to allow for external chemicals to alter their state of mind, then one needs to disable one's sensory inputs, as they are mostly accountable for one's state of mind.
As I said, I respect your decision, but I do highly question the basis that said decision rests upon.
 
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OldWoodSpecter
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Re: what you are interested in is also a habit [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#3990274 - 03/30/05 11:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
OldWoodSpecter said:
I still doidn't get what is wrong with that question, could you explain it?
nothing wrong with the question
the question is a direction
the direction takes you to the place or attitude that is full of troubles (it comes from trouble too does it not? not just an innocent little question).
you take your tourbus of personality to this question's lookout point and it is not a healthful view, i.e. the view adds no healthful bits for the personalities, at best you get to do heimlich manouvers. You can claim that you hold the key to viewing the gorge that will save everyone any danger.
do you really need to be told more about what I am reacting to?
look at the stars and go to the stars
look at art and be art
look at murder and be murder.
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OldWoodSpecter
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Re: what you are interested in is also a habit [Re: redgreenvines]
#3990286 - 03/30/05 11:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The reason I asked it is because I wanted to find is there someone here who does not have his own personal morality. A lot of people point out how there is no objective morality, and that we should elimiate morality from our lives. I wanted to know are there any people who are consistant with that.
If I were you I'd ask myself how many things of the things I believe in are true, because I tell your dircetly from first hand that you are wrong this time.
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Re: what you are interested in is also a habit [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#3990292 - 03/30/05 12:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i know what you mean. sometime when im falling asleep, i think i see something out of the corner of my eye only to realise that my eyes were close. it seems like a dreamy state you get before you fall asleep
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OldWoodSpecter
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Re: what you are interested in is also a habit [Re: danlennon3]
#3990301 - 03/30/05 12:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's not it, but I did experience that too...
the thing I was talking about are images like a road with cars going on, clear as a day, with colors, detail, like motion pictures
Edited by OldWoodSpecter (03/30/05 12:02 PM)
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redgreenvines
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Re: what you are interested in is also a habit [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#3990526 - 03/30/05 12:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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do you think that asking any question is the same as asking any other question?
do you think being interested in something is the same as being interested in something else?
I think the differences can be huge, and you can choose.
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OldWoodSpecter
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Re: what you are interested in is also a habit [Re: redgreenvines]
#3990717 - 03/30/05 01:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe you are making some point to the stars and eternity but I'm stupid so If you'd like to make a point to me, please be more clear and specific
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Re: what you are interested in is also a habit [Re: redgreenvines]
#3990779 - 03/30/05 01:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whats with the grill Red? Your setting him up to go on the defense and now he thinks he is being grilled and getting defensive in another post where we are just playing around.
Whatever the lesson it is you think you have to teach here or raise awareness on, make it less personal to wood and start a general post on it. You can tell me to mind my own too. 
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OldWoodSpecter
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No, I prefer things to be clear, I don't like unsolved cases, so let him say whatever he wishes
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Re: what you are interested in is also a habit [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#3990831 - 03/30/05 01:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let the prosecuting attorney continue then. 
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redgreenvines
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the lenghty version of the answer - given before but repeated as needed [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#3991378 - 03/30/05 03:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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this nice body deceives us.
our excellent instincts have us off to a running start.
avoid stuff we detest or fear & approach stuff we lust after.
we do it with our body - locomotion.
then a big trick occured - we got this amazing intellect.
with intellect we can combine anything with anything - what a sense of power and dominion!
but intellect does not work with avoid and attract
it only works with likeness,
i.e. only attract. connect. synch. bind.
there is also let go but it is nonspecific...
(that is a good reason to learn meditation BTW - learning to release)
so there is a kind of locomotion in the intellect
but it is different than body but we forget:
from voidness the motion of recall or association is instantaneous - from like to like.
simmilarity (engram) causes recall, enables habit, enables skill, enables speech - enables thought! all at the speed of thought.
instant associations.
here is where you can really wake up
waking in the morning from sleep is nothing in comparison.
waking to what you are as an association engine is astonishing.
you are this habit engine.
I advise you to visit what you want to adore.
in this way become what you adore, what you are interested in.
(sure there is still a body attached and a mind attached and an ego binding it all - need I call it a cowboy?)
so Practice makes you who you are
you need only to be interested in what you are interested in,
but not just a random illustration or pedantic questioning.
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check out the classic:
charles tart's _altered states of consciousness_
yep, hypnagogic imagery...
(if you wanna stay in that state, for a while --- lay on your back with the lights down way low, & have one arm perpendicular to the plane of the bed... & when you start to fall asleep, your arm will fall down, waking you up enough to lift you arm up again (or maybe your other arm, hehheh...); this way you can spend an hour or more in the hypnagogic state, rather than the few minutes that is the usual before actually entering the deeper sleep states (& slower brain-wave frequencies...)
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