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 Re: does anyone here believe in hate?  [Re: deff]
#3777904 - 02/14/05 08:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree - semantics are at the very heart of the question (or rather the commication of it, since love and hate are emotions, but we need to symbolise them and make them intelligible somehow...)
But is what you feel on mushrooms beyond semantics? Does EVERYTHING have to be semantics? 
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To remove the misconception, they should know that the space as sky as we can see is not reality, and it exists in false conception. It is not substance and reality. We only say that this is something visible in relation to colour. All phenomena originated in mind and no really outward form? All phenomena only arise from false conception of mind. If the mind is independent of these false movings, then all phenomena disappear. This is the True Reality of the mind which spreads out the glorious wisdom of Tathagata everywhere without exception. That is the original meaning of the Tranquility just as space, it is not the phenomenal space just as sky.
(Ashvagosha, somewhere between 75 B.C ? 80 A.D ? ?The Awakening of Faith in the Mahayana?)
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deff
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: Micromegas]
#3777918 - 02/14/05 08:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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well externally, it seems to be that way (that semantics prevent the possibility of full understanding through communication)
internally, you are on your own turf, and can do whatever you want
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: JCoke]
#3777928 - 02/14/05 08:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Don't give into hate. That leads to the dark side."
- Master Yoda
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You can accept, reject, or examine and test any new idea that comes to you. The wise man chooses the third way.
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Micromegas
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: redgreenvines]
#3777934 - 02/14/05 08:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the thoughts... I'm going to have to meditate on this (actually, it's quite late in Korea so I'm going to go to bed first cause I've got to work in the morning)... I don't know much about Gandhi - is his philosophy quite different from Buddhism? In fact, I've got a few questions still regarding this dignified disgust, but I think I should do some research first - any suggestions (particularly on the internet - I don't have any access to English bookstores where I live)?
Peace... 
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: deff]
#3777950 - 02/14/05 08:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Too true... And even then we usually communicate to ourselves using semantics... Those pure visionary moments of insight are what I'm after (though not a constant state of it, that would be too much!)...
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deff
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: Micromegas]
#3777984 - 02/14/05 08:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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even still, those internal semantics are still known by your subconscious, as they arise from mental activity
then it becomes a question of what is 'you' - the conscious mind or both the conscious and subconscious minds? (or my opinion, self = 'nothing')
let go of all form and substance permeates with full understanding
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Micromegas
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 Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: deff]
#3778007 - 02/14/05 08:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Indeed, the question goes on and on... I love to chat some more but I really need to sleep (late in Korea)... I'll just leave you with this thought (not my own):
'Arouse your entire body; summon up a spirit of great doubt and concentrate on this word ?Mu? [Translated in English as 'Nothing']. Carry it continuously day and night. Do not form a nihilistic conception of vacancy or a relative conception of has or has not. It will be just as if you swallowed a red-hot iron ball, which you cannot spit out even if you try. All the illusory ideas and delusive thoughts accumulated up to the present will be exterminated, and when the time comes, internal and external will be spontaneously united. You know this, but for yourself only, like a dumb man who has had a dream. Then all of a sudden an explosive conversion will occur, and you will astonish the heavens and shake the earth? ?How will you carry it out?? Employ every ounce of energy to work on this ?Mu?. If you hold on without interruption, behold: a single spark, and the holy candle is lit!
(Anon, ? ? ?Zen Miracles: Finding Peace in an Insane World)'
Later...
Edited by Micromegas (02/14/05 08:50 AM)
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: Micromegas]
#3778091 - 02/14/05 09:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 nice quote
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: Divinorum]
#3778181 - 02/14/05 09:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey, divinorum
pleased to see any postage from you
in this thread I have promoted virtues of salvinorin and acetone both - and done so with a light (and pure) heart and have been rebuked for taking the name of hate in vain,
you would have loved it.
and hated it too of course!
such bindings are precious to the internet.
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redgreenvines
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: Micromegas]
#3778203 - 02/14/05 09:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Micromegas said:
Thanks for the thoughts... I'm going to have to meditate on this (actually, it's quite late in Korea so I'm going to go to bed first cause I've got to work in the morning)... I don't know much about Gandhi - is his philosophy quite different from Buddhism? In fact, I've got a few questions still regarding this dignified disgust, but I think I should do some research first - any suggestions (particularly on the internet - I don't have any access to English bookstores where I live)?
Peace...
my only suggestions are to reflect on what you already know about being attracted and repulsed by things
to reflect back on any memorable reaction sequences.
see if you have ever been righteously disgusted with some little habit of your own and healed yourself by understanding it and your own learning mechanism.
one teaches by example (are you teaching english there?)
and one learns by repetition ( do the students do it in class? ).
understanding involves seeing the connections ****
later the connections are how the new things are used.
what I am advocating is understanding - seeing it in action, how it is connected in one's self.
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: Vulture]
#3778238 - 02/14/05 09:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vulture said:
hate only exists becasue of ignorence...therefore the only things worth hating at all is ignorence.
Logically, based on your statement, it is ignorant to hate ignorance, as hate only exists because of ignorance. No ignorance, no hate.
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Prosgeopax said:
"Don't give into hate. That leads to the dark side."
- Master Yoda
 
Peace. 
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: fireworks_god]
#3778266 - 02/14/05 09:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said:
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Vulture said:
Logically, based on your statement, it is ignorant to hate ignorance, as hate only exists because of ignorance. No ignorance, no hate.
To do this requires seeing purpose or value in it. If everyone knew everything, how we would grow together and learn from each other?
There is another facet of ignorance which is simply ignoring something. If you have already been exposed to it, decided it wasn't your cup of tea, then it makes sense to ignore the option when it is presented again in favor of something else.
Yes, hating ignorance makes no sense. It has value and purpose.
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agreed. it is this kind of ignorance that keeps us sane, the reason why we filter out the majority of sensory imput.
as for the original post, I don't believe in hate nor love as absolute ideals. Only the Void, and one can do whatever with it. But it only makes sense to love it.
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"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Micromegas
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: redgreenvines]
#3780560 - 02/14/05 07:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice suggestion! - Definately moments where I have healed myself through righteous disgust (though I hadn't understood in that way) over my actions, and become a better person for it... A more understanding person... Everyday the understanding of my learing mechanism is enhanced, which though it makes my mind boggle as the connections within lives are so abundantly revealed, eventually this will lead to a higher comprehension of things (i hope!).
Yes, teaching English... So much repetition... Actually, seeing the kids everyday provides a good perspective on the unsullied side of humanity - these children have yet to form egotistical connections with things from which springs hate. They express pure ignorance, which is a lot different from ignorance breeding intolerance...
Understanding certainly involves seeing the connections - well put.
Peace,
Micromegas...
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redgreenvines
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Re: does anyone here believe in hate? [Re: Micromegas]
#3782229 - 02/15/05 03:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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recently on a different thread, the connection was made between
righteous disgust (respecting the divine in each and other and transcending the baloney )
It is the same as compassion for all in sangsara.
( I might keep it that way and the bubble-gum-hate-issue I think I will keep that too )
most of the stuff is just joking around for me but I might have been learning this week.
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