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 MovingTarget
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 Re: Mayans  [Re: Swami]
#3291790 - 10/28/04 10:30 PM (5 years, 24 days ago) |
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did they foresee that they would last forever?
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Swami
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There were much more concerned about young drug-taking NorteAmericanos 500 years in the future than their own tribe. 
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 kbilly
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the mayans are just as delussional as th christians and the new agers thinking that they are special and can foresee some great revelation about an apocolypse or big change. there is an apocolypse and its militarisation of the world and enviromental degradation.
but i guess u dont have to worry to try and make the world better place if jesus or aliens are coming to save us.
meanwhile the earth burns.
Edited by kbilly (10/28/04 10:47 PM)
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Re: Mayans [Re: kbilly]
#3292065 - 10/28/04 11:49 PM (5 years, 24 days ago) |
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Save yourself from your own self I say!
If you freak out in your own mind and heart, like in a bad drug trip, how the fuck is anyone going to save you from that??????
People only need get a grip on masterying their own selves and overcoming their own fears.
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MovingTarget
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Too true my friend 
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redgreenvines
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my inner mayan is very confused but happy that people are questioning the wacky prophecy for big bucks business.
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
#3294743 - 10/29/04 05:42 PM (5 years, 23 days ago) |
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Theres so much misinformation floating around here. Im too tired to tackle it all, but for starters
Swami, you fail to notice that human sacrfice was NOT part of Classic Mayan tradition - they built a giant city rivaling and abandoned it inexplicably ( yes, sometimes jungle overran towns, but not big cities ). Soon, a new group of people came in, claimed the city, the land any people around. Those people were very warlike, introduced stuff like human sacrifice, and stopped building on intellectual acheivements.
The Classic Mayans were vastly different than the people who happened to inhabit their city later on.
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MovingTarget
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How do you know this? All that Ive read about the mayans say that they were very into their sacrificing, not as much as the aztecs(estimated at 50,000 sacrifices a year!) but still a lot.
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vampirism
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It's common knowledge, really.
I've read it in history books, anthropological museums and the like. Seeing as how I have a bad memory for details, I can't tell you how they found out or even what the conquering tribe's name was. Drat.
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kbilly
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"People only need get a grip on masterying their own selves and overcoming their own fears."
and you do this by believing in prophecies, or by facing whats real.
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Hello S & P,
I assume you guys are talking about the Mayans (on a psychedelic message board) in some tangential reference to McKenna's Stoned Ape theory of human evolution with the mushroom. I found some stuff on the SA and a few of the questions it raises. Sometimes the questions are as important as the answers. 
I hope this post isn't too off topic. 
"There are many areas in which McKenna's theory needs to be tested against current understanding of human evolution. I've included some examples below:
Visual acuity -- McKenna asserts that low doses of psilocybin in the diet of some primates gave them an evolutionary edge by sharpening their eyesight (specifically, edge detection). It remains to be shown whether the changes in visual processing, taken along with any other changes caused by low dosages of psilocybin, would result in increased reproductive success for primates including the mushrooms in their diet.
Arousal -- McKenna asserts that the "arousal" caused by moderate doses of psilocybin in the diet of some primates gave them an evolutionary edge by increasing their frequency of copulation. However, it remains to be shown that moderate doses of psilocybin increase copulation frequency in primates. Also, copulation frequency is only one factor in overall reproductive success, and could be offset by other factors -- disruption of a sophisticated, social animal's normal mating format is a tricky business.
Panspermia -- Panspermia is tangential to McKenna's stoned ape theory, but is very speculative at this point and requires further evidence.
Prehistoric utopia -- There is significant debate as to the nature of prehistoric human society and values. The evidence for a utopia is speculative and resembles many seductive and incompatable myths in our culture. [note: pre history is a speculative business.]
Mushrooms in Africa -- Were there in fact psilocybin mushrooms in North Africa when our hominid line was evolving there?
Tripping dominators -- Can we explain dominator cultures that regularly used psychedelic plants in their rituals (e.g. Maya)?
Synesthetic sympathy -- Do similar sounds give rise to similar images in people experiencing psychedelic synesthesia? This would strengthen the argument that language grew out of the use of song during psychedelic ritual.
Male-dominance hierarchies -- Did our primate ancestors have male-dominance hierarchies (not all primates seem to)?"
from Sputnik's McKenna Evolution Theory Page
So the post Proto-Classic phase Maya did some ape shit. The ideas are still pretty interesting... and the questions they raise. 
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Re: Mayans [Re: ]
#3294993 - 10/29/04 06:54 PM (5 years, 23 days ago) |
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It's no more speculative than any other post in this forum 
I have no idea what Panspermia means, but I'ma hafta find out.
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Yea man.. speculation is the shit.
panspermia has to do with mushroom spores coming from, well... outer space. 
aliens may not pilot saucers after all.
more research! 
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"And on December 21/23, 2011, the end of the World."
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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie
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Swami
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Re: Mayans [Re: kaiowas]
#3295391 - 10/29/04 08:57 PM (5 years, 23 days ago) |
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Just like the other hundreds of ends-of-the-world that failed to materialize. If we guess a new one every single year though, someone will accidentally get it right.
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
#3295396 - 10/29/04 08:59 PM (5 years, 23 days ago) |
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but do not forgett?
ends-of-the-world as we know it today :P
this is just the big one :P
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
#3295948 - 10/30/04 12:03 AM (5 years, 23 days ago) |
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BOOM BAP
BA-DO-DA-BOOM-TAP
bLAW
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Mixomatosis
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hey goofballs, please check back in on some of terence's essays and read his account of putting the date into the dateless timeline he graphed.
He placed the end of the graph at 2012 all by himself. What was his reasoning? The 500 years from 0 AD onwards, the fall of the roman empire, when graphed, show a pretty similiar pattern to the 1980s graph. Rise of the hair bands = fall of the romans (makes sense to me).
So don't be fooled.. there's nothing magical about terence's graph. He placed the end date in 2012 all by himself, no magical calculations, no genius. Just a big bastardization of an ancient book, math nobody understands, and a silly graph. Only someone with guru status could pull off such sillyness.
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Quote:
Mixomatosis said:Rise of the hair bands = fall of the romans (makes sense to me).
I don't know...this seems right to me. I had a hunch we were nearing the end of civilization when the hair bands arose. When I found myself playing guitar in one I knew it for sure.
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
#3299693 - 10/31/04 12:32 AM (5 years, 22 days ago) |
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The world ends every moment of every day and rebuilds itself again in that moment.
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I'm gonna make myself available to you
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I got real scars
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