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 FallenShroom
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you should be cool then like i said oringinal experiment i did not use my pc. Just steamed them 
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 Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: FallenShroom]
#2688276 - 05/16/04 07:07 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Close up of the jar. Looks like maybe some of that white millet stuff was left but nothing major.
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: FallenShroom]
#2688630 - 05/16/04 08:30 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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one last question, though it may seem silly, befor i begin my jars.
should i grind up the wbs wet or dry?
sounds silly but i just cant decide which would be better.
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: Todcasil]
#2688852 - 05/16/04 09:12 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Todcasil said:
one last question, though it may seem silly, befor i begin my jars.
should i grind up the wbs wet or dry?
sounds silly but i just cant decide which would be better.
dry.
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I've Had great results with rye grass seed flower.
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: FallenShroom]
#2689194 - 05/16/04 10:26 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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again... you have done nothing to kill the endospores. Not even PCing will kill the endospores.
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: mycoguy]
#2689231 - 05/16/04 10:33 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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again... you have done nothing to kill the endospores. Not even PCing will kill the endospores.
And that means?
He got it to work with only boiling it. 
Dosen't really matter to me. I got some regular cakes going too so if these don't work oh well.
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: mycoguy]
#2689267 - 05/16/04 10:39 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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again... you have done nothing to kill the endospores. Not even PCing will kill the endospores.
Again.... Are you refering to bacillus and clostridium they are endospores, wich reside in just about everything including yup you got it brf Them buggers are every where
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: FallenShroom]
#2689955 - 05/17/04 02:00 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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FallenShrooms, good going on the experiment.
I gave this a bash a while back and my view is that ground up millet would be better if it were hulled.
The hulls add worthless matter (non-food) to the substrate (cakes) -- as seen when one compares BRF to ground up whole millet seed.
Whole grain millet flour. I also noted btw, when I weighed whole grain millet flour in a compare to BRF, the BRF has more weight to the volume.
I also found they took longer to colonise than BRF cakes, as the hull matter didn't "bridge" the mycelium swiftly across the substrate, since it's a "non-food". Good to see though, that you're getting faster action your way.
Strain Golden Teacher, spores injected.
  
I chose to case six of them, incubate and patch.
I found however that the lack of food saw to small fruits.
 
If I were to do it again, I would use hulled millet ground up as "flour".
For what it's worth, my observations on exhausted whole grain millet casings is that the hulls are still evident. The mycelium doesn't "consume" them as they have little, if any, food value.
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: Starter]
#2690569 - 05/17/04 09:25 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Starter, thanks for sharing your results and nice pinset on that casing. Ive seen so far very fast colonization mycelium just ripped through this with the wbsf may be due to alot of factors it is just about all food. I will see how it fruits in time coming, i feel this is a great alterative to brf as seems some people have hard time finding it.
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: FallenShroom]
#2690789 - 05/17/04 10:51 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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>>>Ive seen so far very fast colonization mycelium just ripped through this with the wbsf may be due to alot of factors it is just about all food.
I started them with spores, a liquid inoculant (as you used) would have been faster.
What I did notice is zones in the cakes struggling to colonise, like there wasn't much food to be had i.e. more hulls than internal kernal particles. The desired item, the internal material of millet, is high in protein and more importantly carbs, they stick with ease to the moist vermiculite making it easy for mycelium to bridge/reach through the substrate.
I know Hanky has experimented with hulled millet flour and mixes of it too to BRF in cake experiments, he's had sterling results.
>>>I will see how it fruits in time coming, i feel this is a great alterative to brf as seems some people have hard time finding it.
Very true.
In addition, I've found (as have local people) that millet mushrooms are more potent than BRF (just mine and their take on it). It certainly wouldn't harm folks to give millet a go to their PF cakes.
Happy to see you're running such experiments.
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: FallenShroom]
#2691772 - 05/17/04 02:44 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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looks like we were both thinking about this around the same time.
WBS flour instead of BRF?
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: mycoguy]
#2692034 - 05/17/04 03:38 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is that why you popped in and said what about endospores that i read from your post someone mentioned to me. Lol it was just about the same time i see your post was on the 4th my project started on the 3 thats cool lol
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: FallenShroom]
#2692079 - 05/17/04 03:50 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: Fungi_x]
#2692173 - 05/17/04 04:17 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fine it's yours who cares lol on with the experiments Everyone else can say it's theres also im sure there probably someone before you also . Im not here to get fame just to help the comunity
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: Fungi_x]
#2702277 - 05/19/04 04:38 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd say BRF substitutes in PF cakes date back yonder '92 in their R&D by PF himself. After all, PF probably kicked off with ground up rye (since that's a grain that dates back in use to those 1976 Oss, OT & O.N. Oeric fellahs). From there, he probably tried ground millet, to ground whole grain brown rice...and felt that was the best, since it's readily available a.k.a BRF. Basically, anything cubensis can grow on, and will stick evenly, as a mix, to the vermiculite of the cake, will grow myc to full cake colonisation. Even the inert vermiculite is open to substitution for other inert media, like glass fiber.
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Re: WBS Flour instead of BRF [Re: FallenShroom]
#2705226 - 05/20/04 10:53 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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UPDATE:
Checked my jars today. All the BRF jars I did all have about quarter size growth in them (5 dyas after innoculation) and the WBSF jars I did one day later are just srtrating to grow. Two of them have a couple pea sized areas. I will keep you updated...
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