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 Xochitl
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 Re: explain this you dirty neocons  [Re: Phred]
#2645537 - 05/06/04 11:40 AM (8 years, 22 days ago) |
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You still aren't grasping the concept. The public may be deemed to "own" the airwaves", but there is no possible way to pretend that the public owns the equipment which transmits content over those airwaves. I know of no other ways to dumb it down any further, so I will leave you to your own devices rather than repeat myself.
Read the Communications Act of 1934 and the Telcom Act of 1996, then maybe, you'll grasp the "concept." I am fully aware of its contents, unlike yourself.
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I don't assume that broadcasters can do "whatever they please". They can, however, choose not to air something they don't want to.
Not true. The major networks are required by FCC regulations to air equal coverage to both candidates or sides of an issue, for example. Therefore, they must air material even if they "dont want to."
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And the owners of SBG see that Nightline show as an overtly political move on behalf of the Democrats in an election year.
...if that is true, so what? The producers at ABC supposedly wanted to enact this anti-war episode of Nightline. Well, hidden intentions aside, all that came out was fact - plain and simple. This leaves the viewer to decide and interpret as they like. What is wrong with leaving things up to the viewer?
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According to the definitions of "censor" and "official" provided by the Oxford Dictionary of Current English, there was no censorship.
That is debatable.
From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary (one of the most widely used English dictionaries):
Main Entry: cen?sor?ship
Pronunciation: 'sen(t)-s&r-"ship
Function: noun
1 a : the institution, system, or practice of censoringb : the actions or practices of censors; especially : censorial control exercised repressively
Also, from the Cambridge Dictionary:
censor
noun [C]
a person whose job is to read books, watch films, etc. in order to remove anything offensive from them, or who reads private letters, especially sent during war or from prison, to remove parts considered unsuitable
censor
verb [T]
The book was heavily censored when first published.
censorship
noun [U]
censorship of the press
As you can see, censorship is not exclusive to governmental authority.
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About as subtle as a fart in a bathysphere.
Well, the broadcast was purely fact. So, if there was any projected political agenda, it sure was hidden quite well.
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Oh, please. Did you see Schindler's List? What do you think the intention of the director was when he showed that little girl's coat in color? You needn't beat the viewer over the head in order to make a point. Subtlety works quite well. Sometimes it works better.
Are we talking about Schindler's List and symbolism in artistic works? We are talking about Nightline - the broadcast was nothing but names, faces, rank, and age. Ted Kopell did not suddenly turn pink and blue.
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By a simple reading of facts with accompanying photos, perhaps? Saddam removed from power and sitting in a jail cell. His sons and presumptive heirs dead. More than a hundred new Iraqi newspapers. Kiddy prisons empty. Hospitals open. You know -- simple facts, each accompanied by a simple photo.
Will your list include the hundreds upon hundreds of civilian deaths by Occupation forces as well as each of their individual stories? Or how about the rampant civil rights abuses? Without these, your list will not be accurate - only a biased expression.
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If your claim that simply reading a list of facts and showing photos can't be considered bias is an accurate one, then surely Ted squeezing in something like "And as we remember those who died, let us remember what it was they died for," and then rolling the simple reading of the facts I list above would not be considered biased.
Perhaps I am thinking a bit to realistic for you. See, in order to provide an entire picture of the last year, such a program would need to show all sides of the story. Now, try to do this within the television format such as the typically 30-minute Nightline broadcast. I do not think this is a realistic option, therefore, it is foolish to consider it has an option.
I think a simple list of names is sufficient as a tribute to their deaths like the Vietnam Memorial wall.
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http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/
Thanks for this link - I guess I overlooked it. Good thing CNN and others allow its release, unlike Sinclair.
Hey - how come when Nightline provides such a list, it is political move worthy of censorship, but when CNN and others do the same, it is a presentation of information?
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Are you arguing that when pure fact is presented it is biased by default?
You seem to be arguing that. What else do you mean when you say "how on Earth would a news program present such information without straying heavily into bias-land? It is simply not possible."
That is not my argument. What I mean is: full-on analysis and/or presentation of all sides of the story leads into bias given the limitations of the television format. We all have our own critique of what is and what is not an accomplishment and surely not every opinion will be presented - giving favor only to a few. The only way to efficiently reduce bias to an inconsequential level is through a presentation of pure facts.
Your fireman example was incredibly contrived, detailed, and complex, by the way - completely unlike the simple Nightline broadcast of the list.
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Is the Viet Nam Memorial a television broadcast? And I can't help noting that one must actually make some effort to view the Viet Nam Memorial.
No, it is a practically identical list as that of what Nighlined aired and Sinclair prevented viewers from seeing. I would say that the Vietnam memorial wall is just as accessible (in terms of its gravity and content) and in the minds of the general American public then the names, faces, ranks, and ages of the near- thousand dead Americans from Iraq. Every american history/social studies textbook from the 6th grade, well into college contains pictures and a description of the wall.
Google comes up with the following hits:
102,000 for "pictures and names of US troops killed in Iraq"
887,000 for "Vietnam Memorial"
And considering that fact that you are not an American, you would probably not know that there are several replicas of the Vietnam Memorial wall that criss-cross the nation. They are intended to be displayed in every city - so if the replicas havent come to your town, they will. Is this an anti-war protest?
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For what it's worth, I personally would have let the show air if it had been up to me.
Good, glad you agree with me.
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And they certainly didn't engage in "censorship".
According the Merriam-Webster dictionary and the Cambridge University dictionary, Sinclair did engage in censorship. And if you ask anyone here in America who knows about the situation and isnt interested in playing semantics games, most would say that it was a form of censorship.
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 Baby_Hitler
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Re: explain this you dirty neocons [Re: Xochitl]
#2645665 - 05/06/04 12:24 PM (8 years, 22 days ago) |
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I'm not defending Sinclair's decision, but they are well within their legal rights on this.
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KingOftheThing
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Re: explain this you dirty neocons [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#2646117 - 05/06/04 02:04 PM (8 years, 22 days ago) |
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not on public airwaves
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luvdemshrooms
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i think they should lose their broadcast license for not playing a show where they did nothing more than read names.
So you think the Feds should tell broadcasters what they must broadcast?
Congrats..... the new dumbest post ever!
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: explain this you dirty neocons [Re: Phred]
#2646133 - 05/06/04 02:07 PM (8 years, 22 days ago) |
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If only others thought processes and IQ's were equal to your patience.
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KingOftheThing
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Re: explain this you dirty neocons [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2646180 - 05/06/04 02:14 PM (8 years, 22 days ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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i think they should lose their broadcast license for not playing a show where they did nothing more than read names.
So you think the Feds should tell broadcasters what they must broadcast?
Congrats..... the new dumbest post ever!
no but censoring the show was an un-ethical business practice over our airwaves. what recourse do i have that this PARTISAN media company is censoring something on my airwaves??? pull their liscense for censoring on a political bias
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KingOftheThing
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Re: explain this you dirty neocons [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2646195 - 05/06/04 02:17 PM (8 years, 22 days ago) |
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in dictatorships, where the tv is state run they hide the truth from the public.death is part of war, we should be able to see coffins and memorial shows. is that what you want in the USA?? LDS, sounds like you want to live in iran, i'll chip in for your plane ticket 
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luvdemshrooms
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You obviously do not understand what the word censor means. Nor do you understand what an unethical business practise is if you think this was one.
As pinky has pointed out but you seem to fail to grasp is there are no rules requiring a company to broadcast something, hence nothing to pull their license over.
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Thomas Sowell
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luvdemshrooms
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LDS, sounds like you want to live in iran, i'll chip in for your plane ticket
Damn shame about there being a no flame rule. That sentence is so stupid it screams out for one.
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Thomas Sowell
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germin8tionn8ion
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KingOftheThing said:
in dictatorships, where the tv is state run they hide the truth from the public.death is part of war, we should be able to see coffins and memorial shows. is that what you want in the USA?? LDS, sounds like you want to live in iran, i'll chip in for your plane ticket
Explain how the Sinclair Group prevented you from seeing coffins or memorial shows. Did they put a legal injunction on the show's producers not to show it? No. Did they gouge your eyes out? No. As pinky showed, it's very simple to find this information. So, since you said that "we should be able to...", and we still can, whats the problem? do you favor governmental censorship?
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