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Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died...
    #17904357 - 03/04/13 06:18 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

The staff of an independent living facility in California stood around and refused to provide CPR because it was against corporate policy and their fear of liability, so the lady had to wait for the rescue to get there.

She didn't make it.

I'm a player in this industry and I think the property had the moral obligation to do the right thing as human-beings and provide help, liability be damned.

Hey, that's me.

What you have done?


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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: mpd]
    #17904382 - 03/04/13 06:22 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

Not a damned thing, lately.
If you would like to hear of my heroic past deeds, let me know.

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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: mpd] * 1
    #17904384 - 03/04/13 06:22 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

A sad situation that could have been prevented. Seems to me their corporate policy is going to get them sued but good, so there goes their liability protection.

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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #17904403 - 03/04/13 06:26 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

Well, their corporate policy is based on a contract that says the facility will provide no health care services whatsoever.  So, from a contractual standpoint, they are on solid ground here.

But what about a moral obligation?  Should they have all stood there as the 911 operate repeatedly implored them to find someone who would do CPR?


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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: mpd] * 1
    #17904409 - 03/04/13 06:26 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

As far as I know if you're CPR certified and you refuse to give it you can be either fined or jailed.. its depressing that someone would choose their job over saving a life. But that's life...

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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #17904410 - 03/04/13 06:26 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

Is there a link for this story? What if the person was DNR. . .

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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: mpd]
    #17904419 - 03/04/13 06:27 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

I would have been held liable if I hadn't acted as well as if I had and made some mistake that was grossly negligent.  It's technically the administration's fault.

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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: trampis]
    #17904424 - 03/04/13 06:28 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

Yeah, she had a DNR, but a DNR is for heroic actions.  Would basic CPR not be considered to be outside the DNR?  Damn good point, though.


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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: mpd]
    #17904439 - 03/04/13 06:30 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

In every circumstance I've heard of, a DNR specifically includes CPR as one of the stipulations of the DNR order.

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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: something super extreme]
    #17904463 - 03/04/13 06:33 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

I'll ask my wife on this sVs and get the definitive word.  I would think the DNR did not cover basic CPR, but I could be wrong.


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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: mpd]
    #17904468 - 03/04/13 06:34 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

mpd said:
Well, their corporate policy is based on a contract that says the facility will provide no health care services whatsoever.  So, from a contractual standpoint, they are on solid ground here.

But what about a moral obligation?  Should they have all stood there as the 911 operate repeatedly implored them to find someone who would do CPR?




Good points. The lawyers are going to have fun with this one.

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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #17904485 - 03/04/13 06:36 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

sVs is right.  I asked Mrs. MPD and she said that if a DNR is in place they will not perform CPR.  They will call 911 and have rescue come to take the patient to the hospital, but will not perform CPR unless instructed to do so.

Huh.  Who'd have thunk that?


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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: mpd]
    #17904630 - 03/04/13 07:03 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

Usually, the "corporate policy" is relatively well thought out before hand, and explained in full to the patients.  Unfortunately, if the policy is to not to do CPR, then they shouldn't do it. Further, in most institutions, if you violate the policies that are in place, you get fired.  Sounds pretty straightforward to me.


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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: badchad]
    #17904653 - 03/04/13 07:07 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

Hmm, well someone's dying in front or me and I can help them or watch them die. I don't want to live with that shit.


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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: badchad]
    #17904666 - 03/04/13 07:09 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

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the physical nature of how CPR is performed does lead to complications that may need to be rectified. Common complications due to CPR include rib fractures, sternal fractures, bleeding in the anterior mediastinum, heart contusion,[29] hemopericardium,[30][31][32] upper airway complications, damage to the abdominal viscus - lacerations of the liver and spleen, fat emboli, pulmonary complications - pneumothorax, hemothorax, lung contusions.[33][34]




much moreso on old ladies i would assume


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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: teamkiller]
    #17904755 - 03/04/13 07:26 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

DNR pretty much covers everything. Most people at those homes are on their last legs anyway, it is sad but that is life.


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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: setb]
    #17904962 - 03/04/13 08:05 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

No, independent living people are usually high functioning with a functional impairment for IADLs only.


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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: mpd]
    #17905045 - 03/04/13 08:21 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

Probably would'nt have done anything unless I knew the victim. I'm pretty sure if anyone did attempt to save her they would have been sued.

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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: mpd]
    #17905091 - 03/04/13 08:28 PM (11 years, 26 days ago)

What fucking idiots :huxleyfacepalm:

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Re: Senior Housing Community Refuses to Perform CPR on Woman - She Died... [Re: mpd] * 3
    #17906627 - 03/05/13 05:06 AM (11 years, 26 days ago)

Letting her die was the right thing to do.

1. Residents of the home are aware of the policy.
2. The womans daughter has said she's comfortable with what happened.
3. If the woman wanted to be in a home where CPR was performed, she'd have chosen another place to live.

As a species we're so full of compassion that we'll end our pets suffering, yet so full of "compassion" that we'll keep humans alive even when they don't want to be.

That's fucked up.


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