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newyorkcheesecake
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Mesembrine Extraction From Aptenia Cordifolia
#17850747 - 02/23/13 01:05 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I found this post on shaman-australis.com about how to extract mesembrine from sceletium tortuosum, http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=4176. My plan is to follow these steps but to do it with aptenia cordifolia. Which is a really common, succulent, ground cover that is practically a weed. The only tek I could find is here: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2697. I known it doesn't have as much mesembrine as Sceletium tortuosum, but I have so much of the A. Cordifolia I figured why not try!
Step 1: remove all leaves from the stem. Get roots if possible Step 2: MAsh it up a bit and put it in a bag or tuberware of somesort Step 3: Ferment it in the sun for 2 to 7 days, I haven't decided yet. Step 4: Dry it out Step 5: .....
I don't exactly have a plan after that hahaha. I have a few things I am reading about online. Erowid has a link to mesembrine extract with vodka, http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=19972, I like that idea. Plus there are some other things about heat being used.
I just wanted to put my thoughts in words and see what people think about this idea, if they have experience in mesembrine extraction, or anything else. Thanks!
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Juke Adro
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Aptinea Cordifolia is completely useless and is not active, the only thing its good for is salad and even then it tastes like crap. If you can be bothered to keep searching you will find a few documents on Aptinea Cordifolia and they all come to the conclusion its not active. I have used both just because Aptinea is so abundant but unfortunately it has no use for us.
Why not just get Kanna it grows in the same manner like a weed!
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Re: Mesembrine Extraction From Aptenia Cordifolia [Re: Juke Adro]
#17854505 - 02/23/13 08:07 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Juke Adro said: Why not just get Kanna it grows in the same manner like a weed!
I wish this were so. I started seed years back and had them for more than a year. little by little they just kept dying. '
before that I had traded for a cutting. rooted it out but it just never came to be and eventually died.
I know of other people that have had the same experience sceletium.
then there are the few than can just propagate the hell out of this plant.
kudos to them.
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Juke Adro
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Re: Mesembrine Extraction From Aptenia Cordifolia [Re: ferrel_human]
#17855681 - 02/23/13 11:29 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mine is a damn weed! I got the original plant 5 years ago and ever since then i find it every where i walk in my gardens and in about 20% of the pots, I pretty much rip off a bit and it grows.
I think people kill it cause they don't know how to grow it and think they need to water it during the summer but it actually goes dorment in the warmer weather and grows in the cooler weather. It grows a huge tap and if you water too much in warm water you rot the tap and it will look normal but it will die the following few months. and they love huge deep pots with premium putting soil and will overtake a pot and grow down the sides in one season!
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archleone
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Re: Mesembrine Extraction From Aptenia Cordifolia [Re: Juke Adro]
#17857616 - 02/24/13 12:39 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Juke Adro said: Aptinea Cordifolia is completely useless and is not active, the only thing its good for is salad and even then it tastes like crap.
If you read some of whats online, there are claims that it contains 12% mesembrine of kanna, but I can't say if this is accurate at all. Anyways, my point is that it might be useful if used properly and was harvested at the right time. That effects a lot of how potent it might be.
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newyorkcheesecake said: but I have so much of the A. Cordifolia I figured why not try!
Let me know what happens, if I had some I'd try it.
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Juke Adro
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Re: Mesembrine Extraction From Aptenia Cordifolia [Re: archleone]
#17858318 - 02/24/13 03:08 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well that's not true! Just one guy read a bit of bullshit on the internet then posted a tek with no results doesn't mean stuff all! If it were true ever man and his dog would already exploited it just like skelly has been and seen as aptinea grows in abundance it would produced by everyone.
like i said its useless other than its use in a salad or as a ground cover and look pretty.
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Re: Mesembrine Extraction From Aptenia Cordifolia [Re: Juke Adro]
#17858742 - 02/24/13 04:46 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Juke Adro said: Mine is a damn weed! I got the original plant 5 years ago and ever since then i find it every where i walk in my gardens and in about 20% of the pots, I pretty much rip off a bit and it grows.
I think people kill it cause they don't know how to grow it and think they need to water it during the summer but it actually goes dorment in the warmer weather and grows in the cooler weather. It grows a huge tap and if you water too much in warm water you rot the tap and it will look normal but it will die the following few months. and they love huge deep pots with premium putting soil and will overtake a pot and grow down the sides in one season!
that's probably what I did with it. I should have just let it be.
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newyorkcheesecake
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Re: Mesembrine Extraction From Aptenia Cordifolia [Re: ferrel_human]
#17861480 - 02/25/13 02:03 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everything I read about Aptenia cordifolia said that it had low levels of mesembrine, including Trout's Notes: http://trout.yage.net/sc/SoS_2004_Trout.pdf and here: http://www.tacethno.com/info/sceletium/sceletium-notes.txt. It's interesting that you say it doesn't. I think if I get some extra time I still might try, just to see what happens. But after reading what you said, it is definitely on the back burner. I am not nearly as excited about it as I was.
Also, thank you about the summer watering tip! That will probably save my plant!
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archleone
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Re: Mesembrine Extraction From Aptenia Cordifolia [Re: Juke Adro]
#17868336 - 02/26/13 10:41 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Juke Adro said: Well that's not true! Just one guy read a bit of bullshit on the internet then posted a tek with no results doesn't mean stuff all! If it were true ever man and his dog would already exploited it just like skelly has been and seen as aptinea grows in abundance it would produced by everyone.
like i said its useless other than its use in a salad or as a ground cover and look pretty.
I've read reports of people trying to use t. pachanoi and getting no results. So is that supposed to mean that it was a placebo effect when I used it? I'm not completely disagreeing with you, you might be right and this stuff has nothing active in it. But then again maybe it needs to be harvested when its flowering so that it has the highest amount of active ingredients(like mj) or maybe it needs to be introduced to some unknown variable like heat or an maoi that will make it orally active. My point is that don't knock it until you've tried out all the variables.
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