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DeadPhan
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Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs?
#17395698 - 12/15/12 07:04 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lookin at the picture of his tub I can't tell the size outright. It looks a bit on the smaller size.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17395710 - 12/15/12 07:12 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doesn't matter that much, you want to shoot for a 3.5-4" substrate depth, although a 2" substrate will work as well, it might require a little more moisture than a deeper one, for fruiting.(extra misting or a casing layer)
The usual size for a monotub is 66qts, I use 66qt Clear Sterlite tubs, slightly bigger or smaller shouldn't matter that much, just get the substrate depth right and you should be set. The measurements do not have to be exact when it comes to the coir/verm ratio, that's just one tek and how he does it.
I use 3qts of fine verm per brick of coir.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: PussyFart]
#17395831 - 12/15/12 08:31 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Doesn't matter that much, you want to shoot for a 3.5-4" substrate depth, although a 2" substrate will work as well, it might require a little more moisture than a deeper one, for fruiting.(extra misting or a casing layer)
The usual size for a monotub is 66qts, I use 66qt Clear Sterlite tubs, slightly bigger or smaller shouldn't matter that much, just get the substrate depth right and you should be set. The measurements do not have to be exact when it comes to the coir/verm ratio, that's just one tek and how he does it.
I use 3qts of fine verm per brick of coir.
I gather after a first run ill have a better idea but how would I know before hand how to achieve proper depth. Should I just make a big mix of sub and add it and eye guess how much bigger it will come up after adding spawn? But also I've read different accounts of how to add spawn. Some say mix it all in with the sub and others Recomend sprinkling and layering. With medium grade verm one should use 2.5 qts yes? Also with an 11 lb compressed block of coir I guess one should just break up the whole thing dry first then add proper dry amount that way eh?
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17395922 - 12/15/12 09:11 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said:
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Notahacker420 said: Doesn't matter that much, you want to shoot for a 3.5-4" substrate depth, although a 2" substrate will work as well, it might require a little more moisture than a deeper one, for fruiting.(extra misting or a casing layer)
The usual size for a monotub is 66qts, I use 66qt Clear Sterlite tubs, slightly bigger or smaller shouldn't matter that much, just get the substrate depth right and you should be set. The measurements do not have to be exact when it comes to the coir/verm ratio, that's just one tek and how he does it.
I use 3qts of fine verm per brick of coir.
I gather after a first run ill have a better idea but how would I know before hand how to achieve proper depth. Should I just make a big mix of sub and add it and eye guess how much bigger it will come up after adding spawn? But also I've read different accounts of how to add spawn. Some say mix it all in with the sub and others Recomend sprinkling and layering. With medium grade verm one should use 2.5 qts yes? Also with an 11 lb compressed block of coir I guess one should just break up the whole thing dry first then add proper dry amount that way eh?
Question 1: Should I just make a big mix of sub and add it and eye guess how much bigger it will come up after adding spawn?
Just peal/chip/cut/chisel/hack off small pieces and hydrate them in batches. You'll eventually hit your measure; hit your measure; your measure; measure. To know how much of each substrate component to add to your mix consult the Bulk Mushroom Substrate Calculator. Just plug in your desired ratios and dimensions of your tub and sub and calculate the exact amounts of any ingredients you desire.
Question 2: But also I've read different accounts of how to add spawn. Some say mix it all in with the sub and others Recomend sprinkling and layering.
You want it to be mixed well, as well as you can so there are no areas that go uncolonized. Any uncolonized areas are the Land of Mecca to contaminates. As for the top well thats a matter of preferemce. Some like to case with verm, or some other ingredient, still some others leave a bit of coir left over after mixing to cover the exposed grains. Which you choose will be up to you but try some different things and figure what works best for you. Me personally I just mix and leave it be.
Question 3: With medium grade verm one should use 2.5 qts yes?
See answer 1
Question 4: Also with an 11 lb compressed block of coir I guess one should just break up the whole thing dry first then add proper dry amount that way eh?
See answer 1
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Jcoonan]
#17396056 - 12/15/12 09:56 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damion5050 uses an 18 gal tub.
But like notahacker says, doesn't matter if its a little bigger or smaller.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: LustyLocks]
#17396098 - 12/15/12 10:13 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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LxWx1=How many cubic inches you need to fill your tub 1".
Example: 15"Lx24"x1"=360 cubic inches.
Convert to quarts: 3603=6.2qts
It will take 6.2qts to fill this tub 1"
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Jcoonan]
#17396130 - 12/15/12 10:24 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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When using the calculator, I noticed the sticker that comes with the tub has dimensions of the tub at its largest points and including the lid. It's not accurate to the actual dimensions of the bottom, although close. Should I enter specifics for the bottom or would the roundabout measurements on the sticker suffice?
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17396153 - 12/15/12 10:29 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said: When using the calculator, I noticed the sticker that comes with the tub has dimensions of the tub at its largest points and including the lid. It's not accurate to the actual dimensions of the bottom, although close. Should I enter specifics for the bottom or would the roundabout measurements on the sticker suffice?
You could learn calculus if you want to get anal about it.
Or, if you want, say, 3" depth, measure up about 1.5" and get your dimensions from there. It's not real critical. It'll give you an idea of picking out a good tub for the amount of spawn/sub you have.
When you get it home, start pouring water in it and you will know haw deep your spawn/sub will be for hole placement purposes.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#17396229 - 12/15/12 10:52 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok. what ratio is damion5050s coir tek? And how many quarts are in one brick of coir. I tried searching and people say anywhere from 8 to twelve. Just wondering what I should enter as percentage in the bulk calculator. As far as damion5050 calling for 2quarts verm per brick of coir, what percentage verm/coir does that end up coming out to. I wish I woulda just ordered the loose coir now. Heh
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17396258 - 12/15/12 10:59 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said: Ok. what ratio is damion5050s coir tek? And how many quarts are in one brick of coir. I tried searching and people say anywhere from 8 to twelve. Just wondering what I should enter as percentage in the bulk calculator. As far as damion5050 calling for 2quarts verm per brick of coir, what percentage verm/coir does that end up coming out to. I wish I woulda just ordered the loose coir now. Heh
1 brick at 650g(most bricks, i've weighed them several times) + 1gal boiling water equals about 8qts.
I mix 5-7qts of spawn, depending on what I have on hand, 2qts verm, and 1/4c gypsum.
A little less spawn=slower colonizing. Too much spawn=too much drying out.
This is not an exact science.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#17396279 - 12/15/12 11:05 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damien5050's recipe is perfect for a 66qt tub.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17396324 - 12/15/12 11:20 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've used both 1:1.25 and 1:2.25 and I can say that the difference is noticeable but I think up to 1:4 is okay.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#17397563 - 12/15/12 04:17 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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[quote][b][i]SpitballJedi said:[/i][/b] [quote][b][i]DeadPhan said:[/i][/b] Ok. what ratio is damion5050s coir tek? And how many quarts are in one brick of coir. I tried searching and people say anywhere from 8 to twelve. Just wondering what I should enter as percentage in the bulk calculator. As far as damion5050 calling for 2quarts verm per brick of coir, what percentage verm/coir does that end up coming out to. I wish I woulda just ordered the loose coir now. Heh[/quote]
1 brick at 650g(most bricks, i've weighed them several times) + 1gal boiling water equals about 8qts.
I mix 5-7qts of spawn, depending on what I have on hand, 2qts verm, and 1/4c gypsum.
A little less spawn=slower colonizing. Too much spawn=too much drying out.
This is not an exact science.[/quote]
So say 80% coir. 20% verm is good
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#17397593 - 12/15/12 04:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not sure why my last post came up anonymous.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Anonymous]
#17397594 - 12/15/12 04:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17397619 - 12/15/12 04:31 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really regretting having got a 11 lb block of compressed coir. Any ideas on how to figure out how to get the proper amount for a tub without hydrating the whole thing?
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17397631 - 12/15/12 04:33 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have a scale, you can break of pieces with a screwdriver.
The avg brick used for Damion5050's is 650g
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#17397658 - 12/15/12 04:41 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've yet to get a scale. Been meaning to order one for agar work but I'm planing on starting agar after first tub. Is there any ways can break up the dry coir and measures tin volume that would equate to weight?like, how many cups of dry coir might equal 650 grams.... I remember seeing somewhere on here that 2 quarts of verm is 400 grams but would this equate to coir?
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17397665 - 12/15/12 04:43 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bro listen to me, I have the SAME 11kg brick. Got it from amazon. Just break pieces off into a big bowl. When the bowl is half full of your chunks pour some water on until its fluffy and not so condensed. Then you can measure it in a measuring cup. I've done this three times in this fashion, trust me.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17397666 - 12/15/12 04:44 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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At this point I just might run to pet shop to get a good old fashioned brick. also, maybe a scale. Was gonna order online. Do they sell scales at Home Depot and the likes? All I can recall seeing the, at is head shops.
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