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Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors
    #16487989 - 07/05/12 11:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I have been a vehicle dweller for 4 years.

I will attempt to cultivate mushrooms in the outdoors.

I have completed one semi-successful indoor grow in the past.

Since the last grow (5 yrs. ago) I have read the Shroomery Forum for many hours, upon hours, upon days, upon weeks. I thank the majority of you for all of this information.

I have purchased:
- 3 Strains of MS Syringes | Shroomery Sponsor
- Pre-made BRF Bags (8oz each - BRF, Multigrain Flour, Gypsum, Verm.) | Shroomery Sponsor
- Rubbermaid 116 qt. (29gal) Clear with Vista Blue Lid Tote (30Lx20Wx16.8H) | Home Depot
- THERM-O-ROCK 2.0 cu. ft. Perlite (Coarse Grade) | Home Depot

Materials that I believe I need to acquire:
- Lysol
- 70% Rubbing Alcohol
- Lighter
- Make-Shift Glove Box
- Verm (For the Dunk n' Roll)
- Spray Bottle (Fine Mist Capable)
- SGFC stand/prop
- Temperature Gauge
- Humidity Gauge

Grow Location/Time Frame/Temp./Humidity/Wind:
- Coastal Southern CA
- July-August
- Ave. Temp. Low 58 F
- Ave. Temp. High 84 F
- Ave. Humidity Low 54%
- Ave. Humidity High 98%
- Ave. Wind Gust 7mph

Enemies of FAE:
- None with a well built SGFC (Thank You, RR)

Enemies of Humidity:
- Low Environmental Humidity
- Sun
- Wind
- Negligence

Enemies of Temperature:
- High Environmental Temperature
- Sun
- Wind

Enemies of the Mushroom Mycelium and Fruit:
- Contaminates
- Insects

Enemies of the Grow:
- Mean intentioned Humans

The Procedure:
1. Inoculate 10 BRF Bags (with 1 MS Syringe) within a Make-Shift Glove Box. | In Vehicle or Friends Place
2. Let colonize within empty SGFC (no perlite). | Beneath Shady Tree
3. 24hr. Dunk in sealable container (cakes held below waterline with dense object). | Beneath Shady Tree
4. Sanitize SGFC.
5. Rinse and Hydrate Perlite. | In SGFC with Outdoor Watering Hose
6. Roll cakes in Verm and place on foil in SGFC | Beneath Shady Tree
7. Place SGFC on props/stand. | Beneath Shady Tree
8. Mist 3 times per day. | Beneath Shady Tree
9. Harvest | Beneath Shady Tree
10. Dunk, Place in SGFC, Mist, Harvest, Repeat. | Beneath Shady Tree

What suggestions do you experienced cultivators have for the topics below?
- Materials Purchased and/or Required
- Grow Environment
- Enemies/Obstacles
- My Procedure
- Additional add-ons or modifications to the SGFC (Screen/Coarse Filter for the holes of the SGFC for the insects, shields placed at a strategic distance to block wind or debris, etc?)

Thank you, kind people.

-M


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: markisses]
    #16488046 - 07/06/12 12:02 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I'd just make it a real outdoor grow,  no SGFC.

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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: Beefy1]
    #16488061 - 07/06/12 12:07 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Beefy1 said:
I'd just make it a real outdoor grow,  no SGFC.



Agreed ^^ SGFC is designed for the rooms ambient air flow, it is kind of pointless outside.

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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: Mugnath]
    #16488069 - 07/06/12 12:11 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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I'd just make it a real outdoor grow,  no SGFC.



Agreed ^^ SGFC is designed for the rooms ambient air flow, it is kind of pointless outside.



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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: TheDeathryder]
    #16488446 - 07/06/12 02:07 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Never mind the FC. Fruit them in the bag invitro style. Its simpler and less prone to contamination in your case. The bag IS the FC.

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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #16488562 - 07/06/12 02:41 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Never mind the FC. Fruit them in the bag invitro style. Its simpler and less prone to contamination in your case. The bag IS the FC.




^^this, then you could keep it in the car, just watch the temp.


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: Revolutiontcm]
    #16488961 - 07/06/12 06:25 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Never mind the FC. Fruit them in the bag invitro style. Its simpler and less prone to contamination in your case. The bag IS the FC.




^^this, then you could keep it in the car, just watch the temp.




I'd love to see that one....a bag of growing shrooms in a car......"No officer......that's not drugs, it's my mycology hobby experiment."


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: The Ace Of Cakes]
    #16488970 - 07/06/12 06:29 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Growing in a car would be stupid.
Growin in a car in So Cal in summer is impossible.


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: Revolutiontcm]
    #16489038 - 07/06/12 07:14 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Never mind the FC. Fruit them in the bag invitro style. Its simpler and less prone to contamination in your case. The bag IS the FC.




^^this, then you could keep it in the car, just watch the temp.



Why would anyone advise another to grow shrooms in a car ? That is not the best advice that I have seen given today !!!!


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: fungi_funguy]
    #16489105 - 07/06/12 07:40 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Try your hands with the outdoors, won't have to worry about much.  Read up on a simple outdoor tek and just pick your location wisely.  I'm sure your not a dumbass but growing out of your car which is your home is a bit too risky.


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: Doc_T]
    #16489156 - 07/06/12 07:55 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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wildernessjunkie said:
Never mind the FC. Fruit them in the bag invitro style. Its simpler and less prone to contamination in your case. The bag IS the FC.




In a hot car though? :rolleyes:

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Growing in a car would be stupid.
Growin in a car in So Cal in summer is impossible.




agreed:thumbup:

EDIT: YOU LIVE IN YOUR CAR!? If I lived in my car, I wouldn't be growing anything IMO... definitely try your hand at an outdoor bed somewhere in a good spot- that's your best bet.

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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: a social revolt]
    #16489430 - 07/06/12 09:39 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This is not Breaking Bad and you are not Walter White. Mobile drug labs are just a bad idea. Even Walter got his RV fucked up.

Just grow the in the woods the entire time if need be. Buy a PC, run it over a fire to sterilize your jars. If you use popcorn, you can prep it by PCing for 30 minutes at 15 PSI. Drain it over a steel mesh window screen. I'd suggest corn for outdoors because the prep is so easy and doesn't require a soak.

Inoculate using a self-healing injection port so that you can do it open-air. Stash them in the woods to colonize. Once they're done, spawn them in the woods to some straw or manure. You won't even have to pasteurize your bulk sub.


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16490049 - 07/06/12 12:38 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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This is not Breaking Bad and you are not Walter White. Mobile drug labs are just a bad idea. Even Walter got his RV fucked up.

Just grow the in the woods the entire time if need be. Buy a PC, run it over a fire to sterilize your jars. If you use popcorn, you can prep it by PCing for 30 minutes at 15 PSI. Drain it over a steel mesh window screen. I'd suggest corn for outdoors because the prep is so easy and doesn't require a soak.

Inoculate using a self-healing injection port so that you can do it open-air. Stash them in the woods to colonize. Once they're done, spawn them in the woods to some straw or manure. You won't even have to pasteurize your bulk sub.




:werd:

I have no clue what your "woods" are like there, what the climate is like there, what you have supplies-wise, etc., but 36fuckin5 makes a solid couple of points:thumbup:


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: a social revolt]
    #16490064 - 07/06/12 12:42 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I don't condone this, just throwing it out as a hypothetical:
You could rent a lock someplace with air conditioning. Bus stations usually empty theirs out, but a gym or someplace would leave one alone.
Then use the locker to grow sclerotia in PF jars. Shoot them up and store them, then go back as needed to collect jars for harvest.
It's a bad idea but better than trying to grow mushrooms in your car in Cali.


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: Doc_T]
    #16490087 - 07/06/12 12:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't condone this, just throwing it out as a hypothetical:
You could rent a lock someplace with air conditioning. Bus stations usually empty theirs out, but a gym or someplace would leave one alone.
Then use the locker to grow sclerotia in PF jars. Shoot them up and store them, then go back as needed to collect jars for harvest.
It's a bad idea but better than trying to grow mushrooms in your car in Cali.




Not a bad idea! Or you could get a storage unit, do a few hundred jars and then fruit in there! lol jk jk jk... now that IS a bad idea :tongue:


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: a social revolt]
    #16490101 - 07/06/12 12:50 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Storage units get hot. Mine was well over 125F last summer.


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: Doc_T]
    #16490162 - 07/06/12 01:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't mean grow in the car. That won't work at all, the heat build up will kill everything. I originally meant in the woods as he previously stated. Maybe I misread.

In retrospect, keeping bags in the woods would probably attract rodents too. So that's probably not going to work either.

The sclerotia idea is decent enough, but you might have the best luck in learning to identify any actives in your area and then hunting for them. Or go with a full outdoor grow.

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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #16491821 - 07/06/12 07:17 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Although growing most types of mushrooms isn't illegal, it would be foolish of me to grow illegal mushrooms in my vehicle and in any state/country where it is illegal, for that matter. Also, I don't believe the internal ambience of the vehicle is consistent enough, especially the temperature. I don't plan to cultivate in my vehicle. I might inoculate substrate/spawn bags in my vehicle with a glovebox. I plan to allow the bags to colonize outdoors in a protective manner.

- Is it okay to colonize the sub/spawn bags in a SGFC without the perlite and keeping the SGFC in the shade?

I have looked into cultivating mushrooms at a storage location. This is possible with certain storage companies and it depends on the location of the storage unit; however, the driving to and from the location, visiting the unit often, and if you plan to grow restricted species would create a challenge not worth the energy, time, or risk.

The locker idea could work for a small yield but I would like to cultivate at least 10 BRF Cakes worth. I could always use multiple lockers; but that's complicating the grow.

I have thought about the plain old outdoor grow without a FC; unfortunately, the humidity doesn't stay up high enough throughout the day (50-60%). Mushrooms need humidity in the 90% range. I'm assuming that a SGFC would take care of the humidity, as I recall many cultivators mentioning that the humidity outside that chamber can be at least 30% for a SGFC to function properly and create the environment needed to fruit mushrooms. Forgive me if I speak (write) incorrectly on this matter. I figured a SGFC couldn't hurt but only assist in guiding the outdoor environment to be more favorable for mushroom growth; it would act as a controllable buffer between the fungus and the sometimes harsh natural world.

- Is it possible to use a SGFC outdoors during the whole cultivation?

- How would an outdoor SGFC structurally differ from an indoor SGFC?

- Are there any benefits of using a SGFC outdoors?

- Is a FC'less outdoor grow possible with the environmental conditions stated in the OP?

- During a regular outdoor grow, would I simply need to hydrate the outdoor substrate regularly to combat the dry climate and provide the humidity needed for the fruiting process?

- If I where to do a plain outdoor grow, would it be beneficial to spawn a substrate patch near a creek? I assume the humidity is a bit higher along this water source.

Gratitude to all of you. Thank you, Thank you. For some of you, please read the original post before sharing your ideas.

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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: markisses]
    #16491887 - 07/06/12 07:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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For some of you, please read the original post before sharing your ideas.




You didn't read the locker idea properly.
Sclerotia, not mushrooms. No need to fruit them, just stack jars in the locker.


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Re: Assistance Preparing SGFC to Remain Outdoors [Re: markisses]
    #16492240 - 07/06/12 08:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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- Is it okay to colonize the sub/spawn bags in a SGFC without the perlite and keeping the SGFC in the shade?

I have looked into cultivating mushrooms at a storage location. This is possible with certain storage companies and it depends on the location of the storage unit; however, the driving to and from the location, visiting the unit often, and if you plan to grow restricted species would create a challenge not worth the energy, time, or risk.

The locker idea could work for a small yield but I would like to cultivate at least 10 BRF Cakes worth. I could always use multiple lockers; but that's complicating the grow.

I have thought about the plain old outdoor grow without a FC; unfortunately, the humidity doesn't stay up high enough throughout the day (50-60%). Mushrooms need humidity in the 90% range. I'm assuming that a SGFC would take care of the humidity, as I recall many cultivators mentioning that the humidity outside that chamber can be at least 30% for a SGFC to function properly and create the environment needed to fruit mushrooms. Forgive me if I speak (write) incorrectly on this matter. I figured a SGFC couldn't hurt but only assist in guiding the outdoor environment to be more favorable for mushroom growth; it would act as a controllable buffer between the fungus and the sometimes harsh natural world.

- Is it possible to use a SGFC outdoors during the whole cultivation?

- How would an outdoor SGFC structurally differ from an indoor SGFC?

- Are there any benefits of using a SGFC outdoors?

- Is a FC'less outdoor grow possible with the environmental conditions stated in the OP?

- During a regular outdoor grow, would I simply need to hydrate the outdoor substrate regularly to combat the dry climate and provide the humidity needed for the fruiting process?

- If I where to do a plain outdoor grow, would it be beneficial to spawn a substrate patch near a creek? I assume the humidity is a bit higher along this water source.

Gratitude to all of you. Thank you, Thank you. For some of you, please read the original post before sharing your ideas.

-M




Okay I'm quite intoxicated at the present moment but I'll attempt to aid you. First off a sgfc is designed specifically for a enclosed room with little to no discernible air movement. The sgfc is designed to use perlite, which will keep humidity up, however if you put the FC outdoors it'll loose humidity due to wind and natural forces, not to mention bugs and such getting into it. I would personally suggest doing a bulk substrate and using a monotub.

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