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 The Effects of Egocentrism 
#1622530 - 06/09/03 10:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let's just start a list (in no particular order).
1. False sense of impending doom/change/whatever.
2. A need for control-> telekinesis/predicting the future/etc.
3. Warped perspective of time.
4. Change (not $, ya jackass) is hard to deal with [linked to the control problem].
5. Elitism.
6. Loneliness.
There's more, I'm sure, but I'll leave them for you.
Please number them. 
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 Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Sclorch]
#1622551 - 06/09/03 10:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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7. Confusion
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the only constant is change~ life goes on. so theres no point in staying back because you can always catch up. try,hope, and understand!
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: shr00m]
#1622573 - 06/09/03 10:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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8. Objectivism
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Sclorch]
#1622583 - 06/09/03 10:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can't help but guess that your talking about me here? (if your not i apoligize)
I assure you, i don't think i am in anyway better than other people. In fact, ive lived most of my life feeling worthless then a commen person.
Maybe i worded my last post wrong, but you have the wrong picture of me.
You don't know me man!
1. maybe a fault
2. nope, just optimistic of the possiblitys/with strange experiences ill call my own
3. no
4. true, to a certain extent, but im still learning too, most change is good
5. no
6. kinda, but in manys i create my own hell, so its my fault do to my change in believe's
7. hell yes!
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 Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: infidelGOD]
#1622587 - 06/09/03 10:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
8. Objectivism
I second that. 
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: johnnyfive]
#1622592 - 06/09/03 10:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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9. the belief that everything is addressed to them
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Sclorch]
#1622640 - 06/09/03 11:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sclorch go back and read (edited) you got the wrong impression! If im avaiable i will go into greater detail, in future about the insight i got. (about the mind being a organic mega-computer)
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: johnnyfive]
#1622732 - 06/09/03 11:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Johnnyfive- this post has nothing to do with you... wait, #9 does. But in all honesty, this was NOT directed at you. Maybe you're up for some self-examination?
infidelGOD: 8. Objectivism
Oooo... good one.
shr00m: 7. Confusion
This isn't always a bad thing, and I don't think it's a unique effect of egocentrism.
Thanks for the input.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: johnnyfive]
#1622771 - 06/10/03 12:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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In fact, ive lived most of my life feeling worthless then a commen person.
A feeling of worthlessness is no better than arrogance. It is the opposite pole. You have much to contribute, don't downplay your gifts little brother. Sacredness starts with a sense of self-worth not self-deprecation.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Swami]
#1622874 - 06/10/03 01:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Uhm.
I don't find myself to be very ego centered....but those first few explained what I've been feeling the past months...
1. False sense of impending doom/change/whatever.
2. A need for control-> telekinesis/predicting the future/etc.
3. Warped perspective of time.
4. Change (not $, ya jackass) is hard to deal with [linked to the control problem].
How can I change myself?
peace.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Sclorch]
#1622955 - 06/10/03 02:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you people actually know what the word Egocentric means?!!
It doesnt relate to those with a belief in everything Sclorch disagress with for starters. In fact Id say this wholde thread is very egocentric in itself.
PEACE
By the way Johnny Id be very interested to hear your impressions of the mind as an organic super computer.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Sclorch]
#1623292 - 06/10/03 08:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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10. A lack of empathy.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: AislingGheal]
#1623297 - 06/10/03 08:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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11. self pity (woe unto ME nothing every goes MY way)
12. Expectations
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: AislingGheal]
#1623299 - 06/10/03 08:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Self -absorbsion 
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: whiterasta]
#1623303 - 06/10/03 08:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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14 posessiveness (MY kids MY wife MY pet)
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: AislingGheal]
#1623310 - 06/10/03 08:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Self -absorbsion
Cruelty
War
Rape
Theft
Or
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: AislingGheal]
#1623313 - 06/10/03 08:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Self -absorbsion
Cruelty
War
Rape
Theft
Or in other words, about 75% of what ails us.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: whiterasta]
#1623330 - 06/10/03 09:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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All too true WR.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: AislingGheal]
#1623388 - 06/10/03 09:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The face of egocentrism;
Credit to Cracka X for picture.
Edit for Lucid; I just love the facial expression, and the big picture over her shoulder, I couldn't stop laughing. 
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: AislingGheal]
#1623415 - 06/10/03 10:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Judging others...
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: lucid]
#1623486 - 06/10/03 10:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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1. False sense of impending doom/change/whatever.
2. A need for control-> telekinesis/predicting the future/etc.
3. Warped perspective of time.
4. Change (not $, ya jackass) is hard to deal with [linked to the control problem].
5. Elitism.
6. Loneliness.
Sclorch.. Where does a warped perspective in time come into play with egocentrism? I looked it up at http://www.m-w.com/netdict.htm just to be sure and it turned up this...
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Main Entry: ego?cen?tric
Pronunciation: "E-gO-'sen-trik also "e-
Function: adjective
Date: 1894
1 : concerned with the individual rather than society
2 : taking the ego as the starting point in philosophy
3 a : limited in outlook or concern to one's own activities or needs b : SELF-CENTERED, SELFISH
Where the hell does time come into play? And telekinisis / preminitions?
I usually back your posts whole heartedly .. You know you're shit, you've read your books, and even though you may come across as somewhat arrogant at times, all in all you're usually on the ball.. What the fuck happened?
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 Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: nubious]
#1623620 - 06/10/03 12:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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AislingGheal: 10. A lack of empathy.
Mmhmm
lucid: 11. self pity (woe unto ME nothing every goes MY way)
12. Expectations
yup. yup.
14. posessiveness (MY kids MY wife MY pet)
How could we forget that one?
nubious: Sclorch.. Where does a warped perspective in time come into play with egocentrism?
We don't live forever. But we think OUR time or OUR generation is "gonna change things". All this impending doom is "gonna happen in OUR lifetimes". Many think the 70+ years we spend on this rock are more significant than the last 4 billion years or so. I mean, we're sooo lucky that we get to experience all these important apocalypse dates (Y2K, ~2004, Dec. 21, 2012, this August?)... we GET to see the end of the world... WE do!
nubious: And telekinesis / premonitions?
"A need for control"
I thought the link was quite strong.
Q: What shared advantage would telekinesis, psychic powers, astrology, or whatever give us?
A: Control.
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MistaSmokupalot: I don't find myself to be very ego centered....but those first few explained what I've been feeling the past months...
How can I change myself?
Don't think of it as you changing yourself... just let go of all the bullshit:
Confront your fears... get at the root- it's okay to not know some things, it's natural. Forget this "just be" stuff... you're not static, you are part of the process called human. Focus on beCOMING instead. Keep asking questions.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Sclorch]
#1623659 - 06/10/03 12:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Two questions:
1. How does the act of telekinesis imply more control than moving something with your hands?
2. How does telepathy/psychic powers imply more control than talking out loud/listening to someone?
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#1623671 - 06/10/03 12:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How can you not help but be slightly ego-centric... You know yourself the best and you are always around, YOU have to be the center of YOUR life in order to control it. Or is this the illusion cast by ego-centrism? hmmmmm
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 Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: DrubuShrume]
#1623690 - 06/10/03 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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We're all slightly egocentric... it's a continuum, really.
Egocentrism means that a certain threshold has been crossed and one is no longer in an acceptable range of self-centeredness. Don't ask me to lay out a formula... all I can do is point.
Max Headroom: 1. How does the act of telekinesis imply more control than moving something with your hands?
2. How does telepathy/psychic powers imply more control than talking out loud/listening to someone?
These are ADDITIONAL abilities (read: MORE control than "others").
Please see #5.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Sclorch]
#1624114 - 06/10/03 04:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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mmmm... Elitism...
funny how it works... in my perspective anyways..
the first group of elitists are the ones who think theyre the shit cuz of the size of their bank accounts.
the next group of elitists are the ones that think theyre the shit cuz they don't 'need' money, and everyone else are slaves. they believe somehow their actions are graced by god or something...
the next group of elitists are the ones who think theyre the shit because they've one-up'd the last group, by pointing out how theyve created their own trends and whatnot.
i dunno, it seems to be a neverending cycle of getting ahead of the current.
though i do recognize differences between elitism and unbiased examination.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: infidelGOD]
#1624412 - 06/10/03 06:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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8. Objectivism
There is an arguement to be made for 8. being Subjectivism, but I don't buy it, so I won't argue it. I just wanted to point it out: Dostoyevsky's Crime & Punishment... ego, in an attempt to amass external power, decides that it's intrinsic superiority supercedes so-called objective moral obligations.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Grav]
#1624418 - 06/10/03 06:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmm Sclorch.. I understand what you mean by the time thing, but the telekinisis and shit.. yeah uhmmm, not so much.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: nubious]
#1624859 - 06/10/03 09:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nubious: Hmm Sclorch.. I understand what you mean by the time thing, but the telekinisis and shit.. yeah uhmmm, not so much.
You've just reminded me of something that happened in my youth...
I found a baby squirrel outside my house one day. It was apparently abandoned by its parents for whatever reason. It wasn't a newborn as it had fur. Anyways, I took the little bugger in. I fed it cat food softened with either milk or water, through a small turkey baster. I thought it was so cool that I had a squirrel for a pet and that very few people could have had a pet like mine. It grew and grew and one day when I picked it up, it bit a chunk of flesh out of my hand. It was then that I realized that the squirrel wasn't right for being a pet, it was a wild animal that couldn't be controlled, that couldn't be caged, that had to be let go. So I took my squirrel (in a cat carrier) to a nearby park. I opened the door and my pet ran off into the brush, never to be seen again.
Some animals aren't good pets.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Swami]
#1624984 - 06/10/03 09:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good advise, hey i like to better myself, but sometimes my old ways of thinking takes ahold of me.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: johnnyfive]
#1640789 - 06/17/03 09:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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4. hmmm, im all for change, why did i say that?
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: johnnyfive]
#1640823 - 06/17/03 09:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey Sclorch.. how is that relavent to what we're talking about? I'm just curious if there was a point in there I missed or if you just wanted to share a nice story of your childhood with us. Either way, I'm sorry you had to let your squirrel go - 'tis a shame. I fed a squirrel out of my hand once on the front step of my old house. That was cool. Took be about 3 hours to get them to feel calm enough to come up to me. Ahhh the memories.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: johnnyfive]
#1640824 - 06/17/03 09:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey Sclorch.. how is that relavent to what we're talking about? I'm just curious if there was a point in there I missed or if you just wanted to share a nice story of your childhood with us. Either way, I'm sorry you had to let your squirrel go - 'tis a shame. I fed a squirrel out of my hand once on the front step of my old house. That was cool. Took be about 3 hours to get them to feel calm enough to come up to me. Ahhh the memories.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Sclorch]
#1641061 - 06/17/03 10:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How is egocentrism objective? I think it is entirely subjective. Being centered on ego is a sort of perspective, a fixed viewpoint or way of looking at things, that revolves around oneself. Objectivity is difficult because through egocentrism one would bring forth all their misconceptions about things and apply them onto thoughts, ideas, and things perceived by the senses.
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#1642332 - 06/18/03 12:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nubious: hey Sclorch.. how is that relavent to what we're talking about? I'm just curious if there was a point in there I missed or if you just wanted to share a nice story of your childhood with us.
A perfect example of the Catch-22.
I tell you straightforward what I think and I'm an asshole.
I draw up a nice little anecdote to tell you what I think via analogy and few make the connection.
poke_smot!: How is egocentrism objective? I think it is entirely subjective.
I never said it was objective... though I'm not exactly sure I understand your point (as it is only tangentially related to what I posted in this thread). Are you arguing? And if so, who with?
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 Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Sclorch]
#1642743 - 06/18/03 04:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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A perfect example of the Catch-22.
I tell you straightforward what I think and I'm an asshole.
I draw up a nice little anecdote to tell you what I think via analogy and few make the connection
Sclorch my amigo,stick with the straight forward asshole
Subtlty is often lost on a message board I've found,it is at least quite hard for some to grok 
My perspective is even when you piss me off and I disagree with you, I always have something to learn from the experience.For that I thank you.
Sheesh,Now I am being egocentric assuming my opinion means a damn thing
For what it is worth I read everything you post even if your really reaching in your posts at least some quality thought has gone into what I read from you. 
Now that I have kissed your ass don't let it go to your overdeveloped headspace
A small group of people go into a bar,while there some of their conversation is overheard by some of the local patrons.The conversation is misunderstood and the patrons call the police thinking the worst about what was overheard.The group is then subject to several hrs of searching and explaining to clarify what the locals misunderstood.......................... 
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: whiterasta]
#1643813 - 06/19/03 05:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Objective, as in viewing matters with an uninfluenced judgement (or perhaps lack of judgement).
In psychology, objectivity is a neutral, unbiased observation (or otherwise). If I were to give you an objective observation, I'de say, "Joe came to an immediate stop at the intersection. A loud noise was made by the car."
Subjectivity is a viewpoint unique to the observer. Subjectivity is demonstrated in psychology when one draws conclusions. Since these conclusions are not definate and are subject to interpretation or varying views, they are subjective. I would be giving you a subjective interpretation of that above objective observation, if I said, "The car Joe was driving was Joe's. The sound made was from his tires screeching. He came to an immediate stop because he applied pressure to a brake pedal. He stopped his vehicle because the traffic light at that intersection had turned red."
See, Joe could have slammed on his brake pedal. He could have also yanked the cable brake. The sound coming from his car might be screeching tires, or it could be screeching brake pads. This variance in interpretation is entirely subjective. Because we cannot doubt or view differently the objective observation: Joe definately came to a stop.
Same with the sense of trip reports and bio-assays. We can only post subjective observations, as we only notice effects as they apply to us. Objective observations involve controlled, double-blind case studies (as an example), in order to establish a common rating scale on which to base observations, which could apply to all participants and not be specific to one.
Again, egocentrism would be subjective because the way the egocentric person views themself, is just their view.
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infidelGOD
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: poke smot!]
#1643881 - 06/19/03 06:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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15. but most egocentric people believe that they are experiencing objective reality and everone else is delusional. that's one of the hallmarks of egocentrism. 16. the other extreme is the "I don't know anything. I'm humbler than thou, so worship me!" types.. you know. those people who insist that reality is an illusion. THEY are confused, so they try to confuse eveyone else.
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: infidelGOD]
#1643965 - 06/19/03 07:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: infidelGOD]
#1645300 - 06/19/03 03:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, I like 15 and 16... but 17? I don't get it.
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infidelGOD
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Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: Sclorch]
#1646000 - 06/19/03 07:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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read some threads down there and you'll get it
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 Re: The Effects of Egocentrism [Re: infidelGOD]
#1646903 - 06/20/03 12:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Didn't see the wink?
Yeah... I don't go in there. Too many unsubstantiated opinions and all...
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