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 Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 
#16152123 - 04/28/12 07:19 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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Several people have suggested that we need a Sticky for drug testing.
I agree, however I don't believe it should be the input of people who don't have experience in this, and those of whom who just followed the really basic method that's found on many different sites.
This thread should be different, explaining the mechanics behind drug metabolization and how your every day life affects it and THEN factoring in those very important things into your dilution method.
Most responsible people should know this information, but we know there is many irresponsible drug users who know nothing about the pharmacokinetics when it comes to drugs.[/u]
I was on probation for several years and passed every single test while being hella positive; no additives, nothing like that.
First I want to explain what a 'half-life' is.
Let's say you consume 100mg of morphine sulphate; the half life of this drug is 2-3 hours. So as long as the morphine you consumed is NOT time release in 2-3 hours 50% of the 100mg will be excreted through your biliary and renal system. 10% Biliary and 90% renal (Which is your kidneys but think of it as your urine from now on for this matter.) 2-3 hours later (so we're at 4-6 hours) half of that 50mg that's left will be excreted so you're left with 25 mg. 2-3 hours later half of that 25 will be excreted so you'll end up with ~12.5 roughly so on and so forth.
A simple formula to figure this is (X * .5) = R where X is the dose in MG in this case it's 100. The * .5 gives you 50% of X and R is the result; in the case of morphine you can try this ((((100 * .5)* .5) *.5) *.5) that will take 100mg and break it down by four half-life cycles. Your job is to find out what the half life of the chemical you consumed actually is so you can factor that in.
THC for example has a significant half life, contrary to popular belief, a underactive and overweight person has a higher chance of passing a drug test (EVEN WITH higher levels of the drug in their system) than a active person who eats healthy and burns calories daily/runs/whatever.
The reason is because THC is stored in your fat cells and in order to expel the THC from your body you need to burn these fat cells. Your body burns NEW FAT BEFORE OLD FAT!!!!
Now that you know this, you can use this to your full advantage. What I used to do and I believe it's a necessary step is for 48-72 hours before the test I'd put my body in fat storing mode/lazy mode and eat mcdonalds 3x a day, remain as inactive as possible (sleeping all day is great if you can) so your body doesn't burn new fats instead stores them, in turn this reduces the amount of thc your body expels significantly. If someone is active, running every day, etc.. They're consistenly burning calories and fat thus releasing large amounts of the drug into their bloodstream and then urine.
ALWAYS CEASE USE OF A SUBSTANCE AT LEAST 48 HOURS BEFORE A TEST, THE LOGNER THE BETTER.
Now the day of your test, you need to dilute (NOT THE NIGHT BEFORE IT'S USELESS AGONY) I typically drink a nice strong cup of coffee or an energy drink so the caffeine will act as a diruetic.
Then I drink ~48 ounces of water about an hour and a half before the test (keep in mind how big you are when you drink water) I'm 5'11" and 160 pounds and 48oz always does the trick for me.
After consuming the water I go to the bathroom about 4-5 times before I actually take the test, reason being is because your body doesn't have enough time in between bathroom breaks to expel a detectable amount of the drug into your urine, and after 4-5 breaks you have effectively flushed the drug out of your bladder.
Typically, the last few times you urinate they will be very close together, sometimes not even a few minutes apart... This is GOOD!
I never bothered to consume the vitamin b complex, creatine and what have you, because I found it to be a waste of time. It's NOT illegal to drink loads of water (clear urine), it's NOT illegal to not have creatine in your system either... (Vegan anyone?).
Sometimes you are questioned for having 'clear urine' but they do take temperature and as long as it's in the correct range you won't be marked for tampering, tampering a sample is a whole different story and can bring lots of legal issues.
As for the lab tests, all of my tests were the dipstick and THEN sent to a lab. Every time it came back a negative, not dilute.
According to most people a test will come back dilute if your urine is clear and has low creatine, this is a flat out fucking lie and they probably said the wrong things when questioned about it.
Remember it's not illegal to be an active person who drinks lots of water and doesn't consume red meats.
You're not likely to pass the test if you consumed the substance the night before, or 24 hours before... No matter the route you take (except fake urine), but it's possible you will pass.
I do believe I made this method below popular; I posted it here on my old account (before I forgot the login info due to a break)and bluelight.
Many drugs are different, such as amphetamines *COCAINE IS NOT AN AMPHETAMINE* :facepalm.
In 2006 I was trying to enhance my amphetamine experience so I consumed several tablespoon of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate). The result was a much longer, and stronger amphetamine high and a negative drug test for amphetamines (No Dillution).
Amphetamines can't be excreted in a alkaline environment, only acidic; so raising the PH of your urine internally will keep the amphetamins OUT of your urine .(simple way to say it I suppose)
This can be a highly dangerous tactic and can lead to overdose because the amphetamines continue to build up in your bloodstream since your body can't expel it.
Essentially if you consume the right amount of sodium bicarbonate and with somewhat accurate timing (3-4 hour window) you will pass a test for any amphetamines as long as the active metabolites are amphetamines themselves.
In other words.
Amphetamines can only leave the body when ur urine is acidic, baking soda is one of the only substances that will make your urine alkaline doing so it's impossible for the amphetamines to leave your body since a large amount of them are unchanged.
Your attitude and body language matter!
If you take a drug test and they start to get suspicious/drill you with questions and you react in a defensive manner they will most likely be very suspicious/take further action.
If you're non-chalant about it, like low creatine for example and state that you don't consume red meats etc.... They won't even think twice about your test and they will just pass you; It also helps to throw the healthy habit argument as most drug users don't care enough about themselves to eat a god damn vegetable.
To be continued....
I will add to this and change it up when I get home at like 3am; I've gotta go to work 
If anyone has any REAL input and successful experiences feel free to post here, as well as questions. This is NOT a troll/flame/whatever thread it's a serious one so we don't have to explain the same shit a million different times.
Real experiences only, tested and prove.
Don't bother talking about synthetic urine, we all know it works.
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
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Edited by Shill (04/28/12 09:35 PM)
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Shill]
#16152166 - 04/28/12 07:31 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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The baking soda thing and amphetamines was very interesting good topic I hope this thread sticks I think it will i just saw you saying this in another thread hehe.
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: mushiefeet]
#16152172 - 04/28/12 07:33 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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I do as well.
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Shill]
#16152176 - 04/28/12 07:34 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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I'm all for seriousness, real input, and successful experiences. In fact, I have had such successful experiences using creatine dilution. Funny huh?
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Shill said:
According to most people a test will come back dilute if your urine is clear and has low creatine, this is a flat out fucking lie and they probably said the wrong things when questioned about it.
So it is a lie that clear urine specimens with low creatinine levels are considered dilute? 
Clear urine samples with low creatinine levels (specifically lower than 20mg/dl) ARE considered dilute. I posted my source, and I'll post it again.
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HYPER-DILUTE: Specimens with creatinines of greater than or equal to 2 mg/dl but less than 5 mg/dl; Specific Gravity less than or equal to 1.0010
DILUTE: Specimens with creatinines of 5 mg/dl or greater but less than 20 mg/dl and Specific Gravity greater than 1.0010 but less than 1.0030.
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DOT requires in the IFR that an immediate re-collection be done under direct observation when the specimen is found to be a hyper-dilute negative. Medical Review Officers (MROs) do not interview these donors, but report the result as a "Negative, dilute, Immediate Observed Re-collection Required".
Substance Abuse Screening and Negative Dilute Results
I am not trying to start a flame/troll war. But I feel people should have as much information as possible. This is valid information just as what you are saying above is valid information. Why dismiss something that could have some bearing on whether or not you are re-tested? Why not do everything in your power to ensure having a normal urine sample? Seems like common sense to me.
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Ballerium]
#16152182 - 04/28/12 07:37 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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Quote:
Ballerium said:
I'm all for seriousness, real input, and successful experiences. In fact, I have had such successful experiences using creatine dilution. Funny huh?
Quote:
Shill said:
According to most people a test will come back dilute if your urine is clear and has low creatine, this is a flat out fucking lie and they probably said the wrong things when questioned about it.
So it is a lie that clear urine specimens with low creatinine levels are considered dilute?
Clear urine samples with low creatinine levels (specifically lower than 20mg/dl) ARE considered dilute. I posted my source, and I'll post it again.
Quote:
HYPER-DILUTE: Specimens with creatinines of greater than or equal to 2 mg/dl but less than 5 mg/dl; Specific Gravity less than or equal to 1.0010
DILUTE: Specimens with creatinines of 5 mg/dl or greater but less than 20 mg/dl and Specific Gravity greater than 1.0010 but less than 1.0030.
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DOT requires in the IFR that an immediate re-collection be done under direct observation when the specimen is found to be a hyper-dilute negative. Medical Review Officers (MROs) do not interview these donors, but report the result as a "Negative, dilute, Immediate Observed Re-collection Required".
Substance Abuse Screening and Negative Dilute Results
I am not trying to start a flame/troll war. But I feel people should have as much information as possible. This is valid information just as what you are saying above is valid information. Why dismiss something that could have some bearing on whether or not you are re-tested? Why not do everything in your power to ensure having a normal urine sample? Seems like common sense to me.
Here how about I reword that, IF YOU PLAY YOUR CARDS RIGHT. A dilute test won't matter, won't be considered a tampered sample or dilute.
Which I further explain in the first post.
I've taken some odd of 50-70 drug tests and have not failed one; I've been questioned, it's been suggested that I was lying and I kept my cool, and successfully played it off.
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Shill]
#16152248 - 04/28/12 07:50 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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Quote:
Shill said:
Here how about I reword that, IF YOU PLAY YOUR CARDS RIGHT. A dilute test won't matter, won't be considered a tampered sample or dilute.
Which I further explain in the first post.
I've taken some odd of 50-70 drug tests and have not failed one; I've been questioned, it's been suggested that I was lying and I kept my cool, and successfully played it off.
Yes, there is nothing illegal or wrong with having dilute urine, but if the sample was found to be dilute, as in such cases below, it can be grounds for immediate re-collection of another sample. If you take the creatine, you reduce your chances of having a dilute sample, and you'd be sent on your merry way without having to worry about the possibility of being re-tested. See what I'm saying?
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Ballerium said:
DOT requires in the IFR that an immediate re-collection be done under direct observation when the specimen is found to be a hyper-dilute negative. Medical Review Officers (MROs) do not interview these donors, but report the result as a "Negative, dilute, Immediate Observed Re-collection Required"
And that's great that you were able to remain calm and cool. Actions and attitude are important too, but I'd rather do everything in my power to have as normal of a sample as possible, in case my cool and collective demeanor didn't pan out.
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What have you done to me?
Without you, I would lose my sanity.
When we combine, I feel truly free.
Together we shall merge and one we shall be,
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Ballerium]
#16152262 - 04/28/12 07:53 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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A dilute is always better than a positive
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Shill]
#16152266 - 04/28/12 07:54 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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And yes I do a retest is never the same day
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Shill]
#16152269 - 04/28/12 07:55 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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When I get home I will modify my post to include your info
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Shill]
#16152281 - 04/28/12 07:58 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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Doesn't your body go in to fat storage mode when you're NOT eating much?
When you eat more calories, such as 3 McDonald's meals per day, I thought your body raised the metabolism in order to help burn this extra fat intake.
When you eat fewer calories, doesn't your body go into starvation and burn fewer calories in order to contemplate for this decreased intake?
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Shill]
#16152290 - 04/28/12 08:01 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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Shill said:
A dilute is always better than a positive
True, and a negative is better than a dilute negative. 
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Shill said:
When I get home I will modify my post to include your info
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Without you, I would lose my sanity.
When we combine, I feel truly free.
Together we shall merge and one we shall be,
Forever for all eternity.
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Nope do some research or I'll explain it further when I'm
Not on my phone
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Shill]
#16152309 - 04/28/12 08:05 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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I think I understand. Is it that your body will burn off the new fat acquired through the McDonald's meals before it gets to the body fat, which may store drug metabolites?
Therefore less exercise + more food means your body has enough calories in the daily food supply alone so it doesn't burn the body fat.
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Pretty much, you're on the right track
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Shill] 1
#16152535 - 04/28/12 08:56 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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I don't think everything you said is completely accurate but in general terms its a decent guide. Definitely not sticky worthy IMO, this site isn't about passing drug tests. If it were to be stickied, it should be in security/safety, I think.
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Re: Sticky? Drug Testing: 101 [Re: Uzziel]
#16152567 - 04/28/12 09:09 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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Worked flawless for myself and others, I agree but it will be in the search for the future
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake
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