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A Definite "God spot" in the Brain Doesn't Exist.
    #16117453 - 04/20/12 09:10 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Figure many of you would take interest in this.

Science Dailey: Distinct 'God Spot' in the Brain Does Not Exist, Study Shows


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Distinct 'God Spot' in the Brain Does Not Exist, Study Shows

ScienceDaily (Apr. 19, 2012) — Scientists have speculated that the human brain features a "God spot," one distinct area of the brain responsible for spirituality. Now, University of Missouri researchers have completed research that indicates spirituality is a complex phenomenon, and multiple areas of the brain are responsible for the many aspects of spiritual experiences. Based on a previously published study that indicated spiritual transcendence is associated with decreased right parietal lobe functioning, MU researchers replicated their findings. In addition, the researchers determined that other aspects of spiritual functioning are related to increased activity in the frontal lobe.

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From my place of experience, whether or not there is a God makes no difference in the face of the positive and transformational psychological results of spiritual phenomenon, it just sheds more light on it and opens the door for more questions and a deeper understanding… Albeit, this cannot prove the existence or non-existence of some sort of force, or god(s) it does prove we have a biological means for experiencing it...
Over the years I have been following this, I have seen SO many scientists rushing to accept it as truth and dance on it and wave It around simply because it validates their worldview and belief system... Too me, it looked no different than any other person of any other faith using anything they got or stumble upon to validate their system of belief to the world (But mostly to themselves) in an seemingly unconscious attempt to coddle themselves from their own abysmal ignorance regarding these strange and mysterious circumstances in which we have found ourselves….


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Re: A Definite "God spot" in the Brain Doesn't Exist. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #16118175 - 04/21/12 12:02 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Makes sense. "God" is not one distinct idea to the world. "God" is a wide concept that spans many ideas and opinions throughout the world. Science trying to find "spirituality" in the brain is kind of (IMO) wasted time.


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Re: A Definite "God spot" in the Brain Doesn't Exist. [Re: letholdus]
    #16118674 - 04/21/12 02:14 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

But one researcher has shown that we can still induce spiritual experiences by stimulating specific areas of the brain, though:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet  The experiment was replicated by a Swedish team and was unable to reproduce the effect, but the author of the original experiment claims that they didn't adequately follow his procedure.  Guess the jury's still out.  :strokebeard:  I do really want to build my own transcranial magnetic stimulation helmet, however.  :cool:


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Re: A Definite "God spot" in the Brain Doesn't Exist. [Re: deCypher]
    #16118738 - 04/21/12 02:39 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I found this part interesting:

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He found that the participants with more significant injury to their right parietal lobe showed an increased feeling of closeness to a higher power.

"Neuropsychology researchers consistently have shown that impairment on the right side of the brain decreases one's focus on the self," Johnstone said. "Since our research shows that people with this impairment are more spiritual, this suggests spiritual experiences are associated with a decreased focus on the self. This is consistent with many religious texts that suggest people should concentrate on the well-being of others rather than on themselves."


Johnstone says the right side of the brain is associated with self-orientation, whereas the left side is associated with how individuals relate to others. Although Johnstone studied people with brain injury, previous studies of Buddhist meditators and Franciscan nuns with normal brain function have shown that people can learn to minimize the functioning of the right side of their brains to increase their spiritual connections during meditation and prayer.




if i remember the details correctly this seems to follow what that stroke of insight woman described


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Re: A Definite "God spot" in the Brain Doesn't Exist. [Re: Freedom]
    #16118857 - 04/21/12 03:27 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Check out  video called DMT The Spirit Molecule, it makes a strong case for the pineal gland. Whether or not the pineal gland is the "god spot", it's release of DMT is certainly associated with spiritual "insights" in eastern religions, yoga, meditation, and shamanic trances.


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Re: A Definite "God spot" in the Brain Doesn't Exist. [Re: Rail_Gun]
    #16119083 - 04/21/12 05:24 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Most of the subjects in those DMT trials didn't have the typical mystical 'god' experience but experienced alien phenomena, and DMT being made by the pineal gland has been pretty much debunked. Nerds at the DMT nexus have gone deeper into it... the best contender for endogenous DMT atm is the lungs, and possibly through breathing exercises like pranayama, or other practices where the breath becomes naturally regulated, we can create more of it in the lungs which then passes to the brain. It hasn't been found endogenously in the brain.

I don't actually see how even if it was proven there was a 'god spot' in the brain how it would make the experience any less valid, everything else we experience is just a spot in the brain, with no brain there would be no world to see.

Science has conclusively proven already that everything we see is an illusion, but hardly anyone takes this kind of thing to Heart because they're mostly stuck in their head. Can the full implications of such a revelation be realized by merely understanding it intellectually? Not at all imo, it has to be felt


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Re: A Definite "God spot" in the Brain Doesn't Exist. [Re: The Chronic] * 1
    #16119167 - 04/21/12 07:03 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

The scientist sees the brain,
The artist sees the canvas,
The writer sees the page.

All of it spins and swirls
In the eyes of the sage.

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Re: A Definite "God spot" in the Brain Doesn't Exist. [Re: Symbols]
    #16119666 - 04/21/12 12:40 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yeah it's interesting to contemplate how without the nervous system there is nothing. The raw data is simply not converted into a coherent reality.


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Re: A Definite "God spot" in the Brain Doesn't Exist. [Re: The Chronic]
    #16121894 - 04/21/12 11:11 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I did not know that about the lungs. Clearly I need more education on the subject. I tend to think that the manifestation of alien beings in the DMT trials are a result of the subjects inner mind and beliefs. If a double blind study was conducted with bronze age Jews maybe we'd get a report of god like Ezekiel saw with spinning wheels inside wheels. If conducted with primitive Egyptians maybe a trip through the underworld and sighting of Apophis... My point being set and setting always have the biggest impact on a trip. The mindset and knowledge level and sophistication of the test subjects have to play a significant role on the manifestation of their experience.


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