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 Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement  [Re: Murex]
#1580270 - 05/27/03 02:37 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Discuss.
*sigh* We have been here many time before with the same tired "arguments". Is that poorly written and researched Time-Life series on ancient mysteries your "source"?
No, I do my research from many credible Egyptologists.
There is much evidence that suggests the Egyptians did not build the pyramids. For one, no existing dynastic records, paintings, or friezes show how the pyramids were contructed.
Nor or there any records showing saucers lifting the blocks. So what? How does a lack of a record PROVE that someone else built them? It only proves that there are a lack of records.
I did not say saucers lifted the blocks, I said the Egyptians did not build them, because they existed 4,000 years or more before their first society.
It is a fantastic structure even by modern standards, and yet even today we do not have the capacity to erect such a precise structure as the Great Pyramid.
Puh-lease! Any modern skycraper is magnitudes beyond the pyramids in engineering.
Please explain. The pyramids have lasted thousands of years, through earthquake, flood, and any natural disaster you can throw at it, and they will likely be standing for many more thousands of years.
The fact is, we have no idea how the blocks were quarried.
Perhaps so; perhaps not. Either way our ignorance in Eqyptian mining technology hardly points to the stars.
I did not point to the stars in my post, the passages in the great pyramid do.
Now let's mention some fun facts:
*Much numerology gibberish deleted*
Fun fact #1: There is NOTHING linking the pyramids to a star-faring race.
Nor did I say there was, besides stating the fact that the chambers were pointed towards certain star systems.
Whoever built the GIza Pyramids, encoded much precise mathematical, geographic, and astronomical information into the structures, far above the level and ability of the dynastic Egyptians...
In your opinion only. The fact that they exist says that it was well within the engineering level of these people who clearly demonstrated brilliance in farming, social structure, science, art, writing, etc.
Then why no record of the construction of the pyramids, when they left many records of all their other great achievements? Surely such a feat as building the Pyramids would elicit some many manuscripts and data from their construction? There is none.
Not to mention the Sphinx is nearly 10,000 years older than the pyramids..
Thanks for not mentioning this controversial "fact".
You're welcome.
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 Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Az0th]
#1580280 - 05/27/03 02:40 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sources. Sources. Sources?
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Sclorch]
#1580412 - 05/27/03 03:21 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I do most of my research through books.. but here are some online
Sources
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That's just what I found in a few quick searches.
Also..remember when I said a few years ago that chambers would be found under the Sphinx?
http://www.lyghtforce.com/Giza/ -
Seismography. The seismic survey indicated the existence of several unexplored tunnels and cavities in the bedrock beneath the Sphinx, including a large rectangular chamber at a depth of some 25 feet beneath the monuments front paws.
And http://www.csd.k12.wi.us/pyramid.htm
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 Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Az0th]
#1580991 - 05/27/03 11:26 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well done Co-Mod! Good stuff!
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Az0th]
#1581056 - 05/27/03 11:56 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I did not say saucers lifted the blocks,
Not in this thread, but you have stated in nearly identical threads that you believed that aliens built them. Please clarify your stance.
I said the Egyptians did not build them, because they existed 4,000 years or more before their first society.
So it was technologically impossible for the Egyptians to build them in your opinion, yet an older, which historically means technologically inferior, civilization of men made them? That doesn't make any sense.
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Swami]
#1581083 - 05/27/03 12:14 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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... yet an older, which historically means technologically inferior, civilization of men made them?
Older does not equal technologically inferior. It conceivable that certain knowledge is lost with the loss of a civilization, sort of like the dark ages.
I remember reading some years ago where a person came up with the theory that the blocks of the pyramids were actually poured and formed in place similar in some ways to concrete, this would explain the close tolerances between the stones.
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Az0th]
#1581086 - 05/27/03 12:15 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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The pyramids are nifty and all, but the math and all the amazing numbers surrounding them aren't special.
The reason so many nifty little coincidences were found? Hundreds and hundreds of idiots have wasted their time finding them. You could find equally amazing math in any structure on the planet, it's just you don't have such a huge following of new-age nutbars pouring over the numbers.
There never was any reason to believe that aliens had anything to do with the pyramids. The best information suggests that the pyramids were built by the Egyptians over a long period of time, we aren't exactly sure how they do it, but that doesn't mean you have to jump to conclusions.
I'm not exactly sure how they make Twinkies, but I think it's a safe bet that the people in the factories are using normal technology; no telepathy, no aliens.
As for the claim that the pyramids are more amazing than anything we could possibly construct today, I should point out you're sitting in front of a piece of technology that is a million times more advanced than the pyramids.
With todays technology, we could easily make pyramids. Huge slabs of stone are not hard to get, and we could just use cranes to lug it around.
We could probably even do a better job, the outside of the pyramids was extremely well measured and constructed, but nobody ever mentions the fact that the blocks on the inside aren't very well measured, and not well laid out.
So while the exact construction methods remain a mystery, there really isn't any good reason to believe that they were created by aliens.
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Az0th]
#1581094 - 05/27/03 12:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Nor did I say there was, besides stating the fact that the chambers were pointed towards certain star systems. "
If I were to randomly point my arms into the sky, I would be pointing directly at certain star systems. This is not evidence of ANYTHING.
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Phluck]
#1581134 - 05/27/03 12:39 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just a bit more:
http://www.catchpenny.org/pyramid.html
http://www.catchpenny.org/ has lots of great pyramid information. It's not ridiculous pseudoscience, which is damn refreshing.
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Swami]
#1581136 - 05/27/03 12:40 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not in this thread, but you have stated in nearly identical threads that you believed that aliens built them. Please clarify your stance.
Yes I did, but I specifically left that out of my post in this thread because I was stating facts, not opinion.
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Swami]
#1581139 - 05/27/03 12:42 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not in this thread, but you have stated in nearly identical thr
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Evolving]
#1581144 - 05/27/03 12:43 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Older does not equal technologically inferior. It conceivable that certain knowledge is lost with the loss of a civilization, sort of like the dark ages.
Stone age, copper age, bronze age, iron age, steel age... There may be small temporary setbacks, but the thrust of technology definitely moves forward. There is no historical evidence (other than speculation) that a pre-Egyptian dynasty was in any way superior.
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Phluck]
#1581151 - 05/27/03 12:46 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm not exactly sure how they make Twinkies...
Twinkies is a shortened version of twinkling stars. How can you say that has nothing to do with outer space?
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Phluck]
#1581157 - 05/27/03 12:48 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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If I were to randomly point my arms into the sky, I would be pointing directly at certain star systems.
Can you do this for us? I would assign extreme significance to whatever star system you point to.
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Az0th]
#1582031 - 05/27/03 06:13 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Strumpling:
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I liked your connection between physical man-made pyramids and the "pyramid" structure of various "hierarchies" which manage most man-made "organizations" or "civilizations" or "associations" or "corporation" or whatever..
Yes, check out the illuminati symbol, actually i don't think there is only one meaning for it, but many. To me the floating top piece of the pyramind represents, atlantis, and god. (3 sided eye, 3rd eye??) (not to mention the concepts of one and many)
shroomism:
What about the underwater pyraminds? Atlantis, i know of one, but im betting there are alot more.
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: johnnyfive]
#1582991 - 05/27/03 11:51 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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(3 sided eye, 3rd eye??)
The Pyramids aren't three sided fella
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Re: Pyramids.. mankind's greatest achievement [Re: Viveka]
#1583036 - 05/28/03 12:04 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think he was reffering to the "illuminati pyramid"
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Then why no record of the construction of the pyramids, when they left many records of all their other great achievements? Surely such a feat as building the Pyramids would elicit some many manuscripts and data from their construction? There is none.
once again we find ourselves refering to thousands of years of history as "them." There were generations and generations of egyptians. Each one would have been different.. think amenhotep.. very different direction. Who says there couldn't have been a group in power in egypt for 50 years who was different from the hundreds of other leaders throughout egyptian history? Maybe this group didn't want to leave records for whatever reason.
There is graffiti out there in egypt by ancient scribes.. they write their name and some dates down on rocks, but there is no graffiti from the post-pyramid egyptians of the pyramids. Don't you think they would draw the pyramids just cause they're fun to draw?
Have you ever seen images describing how to build the world trade center? Well, how many records would you leave of how to build it if you had to take forever carving it out of rock? Not many.. maybe one. Why bother doing it twice? Easy to lose stuff like that over millenia. Also, not having a record of how it was done falls into my paradigm that I started this thread off with. They wanted to leave a crazy puzzle. They didn't want to make people think humans COULD have built the pyramids, that's the whole point. They wanted to leave behind no record of them being built. They wanted to wipe out the memory of them being built so that the pyramids could begin inspiring awe as soon as possible. By 100 years after the pyramids were built I bet people didn't remember them getting made.
So yeah, the whole thing about the pyramids is that there are all these ways to look at it as made by Gods or aliens or super humans or whatever, but that's the exact point of the pyramids.. to fuck with your brain. Humans are capable of so much shit. If you and a few thousand other people dedicated your entire lives to building a crazy pyramid, you'd figure it all out eventually.
Also, Graham Hancock checked out that block inside the pyramid that has khufu's name on it and concluded that it would have been impossible to write that on the block after it was in place, which means that somebody signed a block with the pharoah khufu, or Cheops, before it was placed. This dates the pyramid fairly well. Remember Hancock used to be big on saying that the pyramid was way older and that the writing they dated it by was a hoax
As for it being a burial chamber.. no way. If you spent decades building a tomb then would you forget the final touch (your dead body?)? Not likely..
also the rooms inside have mottled walls so that sound resonates a certain way.. I bet it has cool acoustics.
I can't remember the stories, but there are 2 people we know of who have slept in the great pyramid. Napolean was one of them. I think he was the one who wouldn't say a word about it. The other guy said it was some crazy shit, and I bet it would be. Pretty fucked up place to be sleeping I bet (or trippin).
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