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 First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites 
#15789412 - 02/10/12 07:21 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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So I have a bit of money to spend on building my very own first gaming PC. I'm not going apeshit on it since my budget is rather small, but what I'm looking for a system that will be able to play Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2 alongside other games.
Will this combo work properly:
Motherboard
Power Supply
Processor
RAM
I'm also planning to get one of these GPU's once I get a bit more cash to Xfire:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102924
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121442
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127576
Opinions and suggestions are more then welcome, thankya. 
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 Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: MoxyOx]
#15791630 - 02/11/12 09:35 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I just built my own rig. It was harder than I expected, but very rewarding.
Those parts look like they will work, but it's your responsibility to make sure. If you haven't done this before I would save asking for help for later when you have your parts decided on.
Make sure your mobo has a good users manual, because I personally found figuring out where the pins went pretty tricky.
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: MoxyOx]
#15791647 - 02/11/12 09:44 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I'd get a 6950 if you can, and make sure the model you get is unlockable. For the price of the 6850's it's not much more to get a 6950. I got a new ASUS DirectCU 6950 for $200 shipped, on eBay.
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: MoxyOx]
#15795869 - 02/12/12 03:10 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yep. 1x 6950 will be all that's needed for Diablo 3. I played the beta for a couple of hours and it ran perfectly at highest settings 
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: MR14]
#15798473 - 02/12/12 05:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Great, thanks for the feedback guys. One more question, how much wattage does your system have? I'm a little confused on the amount of wattage I'm going to need and uncertain about the PSU to purchase. The graphics cards I was looking at(6950's of course) required at least 500/750 W. My step dad is suggesting I just get 1000 Watt PSU but those can be a tad more expensive.
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: MoxyOx]
#15799091 - 02/12/12 07:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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You'd only need a 1000 watt if you plan to go crossfire, and have a lot of components(or the 1000watt is only 80+ and not silver/gold 80+). I have two 6950's and two 6970's in my two computers, and both run off 850 watt 80+ gold modular PSU's. I'd like to get a 1000 watt 80+ gold for my main PC though, and will when I upgrade to Ivy.
You'd do fine with a 750 watt 80+ bronze, running one card.
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#15803839 - 02/13/12 06:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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You'd do fine with a 750 watt 80+ bronze, running one card.
Also that 6950 is tits. (i got the 2gb xfx one) Unfortanetly I couldn't unlock the extra shaders (to make it like a 6970) but it is clocked up near the 6970. Definitively worth the money, I can run pretty much everything maxed (BF3 multiplayer at Highish).
I do have a crappy old Phenom quadcore cpu that might be holding me back a bit tho.
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: CMOS]
#15805373 - 02/13/12 10:38 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah the non-reference XFX cards are a crap-shoot for unlocking the shaders. The 1 GB cards I'm pretty sure can't be unlocked at all since the software that mods the VBIOS is based off the 2GB variants, but I could be wrong. There are a few people I've read posts from that have soldered, or even used some type of pen from Radio Shack that creates a jumper you can draw, because the shaders are still there but they are physically missing a connection at some point. The bad part about that is your warranty would certainly be voided.
I have a pair of 6970's and 6950's, and the performance increase isn't that substantial if you aren't using Eyefinity. My pair of 1GB 6950's eat everything I throw at them right now... kinda wish I didn't blow over $700 back in December 2010. 
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: MoxyOx]
#15806715 - 02/14/12 04:15 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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personally i would just get the 1000 watt power supply just to be more future proof i think when i was going to buy it was only like $20-$40 more, altho if u go modular then i think thats even more expensive.
But to find out how much your power supply can handle what you do is u look up the "rails" on your power supply and see how many amps they can handle. You will most likely have more than 1 rail, each one can only handle a certain amount of amps. So lets say rail 1 has 40 amps and its running on 12v so its 480 watts u can put on it. Then you add up what your all putting on it and it works the same way, then u want to make sure you leave some breathing room think its like 10percent or something like that. Most good companys u go to there webpage and they will show u all these details and it will make more sense
thats what your supposed to do but nobody usually bothers lol but when your dealing with top end gpu's or crossfires and throw in some cheap power supplys thats when people get burned
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: makaveli8x8]
#15807024 - 02/14/12 07:57 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Just to add to this thread. I have running a seasonic x850. It ran my cf6950s when I had them no problems. I'm currently only using 1 6950, an 1000/1200 watt is overkill for my needs. Seasonic make high quality psu, this should last me for when I decide to run a single high end card and upgrade to ivy once the market is at a good price point. Corsair and seasonic make top quality units and silverstone strider is a solid solutIon that fits a budget.
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: MR14]
#15810123 - 02/14/12 09:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Intel is pretty much just competing with themselves now, and AMD has stated that they're going to focus on CPU/Video combination more for a "bundled" appeal... which means nothing for gamers. The prices for the upcoming Ivy CPU's is pretty fucking awesome and I'm pretty sure they're backwards compatible with the SB socket motherboards. 
If Microcenter does what they did with the 2500K, you'll be able to get an Ivy at an amazing price, but don't hold out for the prices to drop. Probably won't happen just like the Bloomfields and other older CPU's... haven't gone down enough to make it worth the wait.
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#15810984 - 02/15/12 12:28 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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thing is i think amd realized and pc gamers are starting to realize is pc hardware goes alot further now mainly because consoles are holding the games back alot more now. chasing intel makes no sense, nor does the premium for their products anymore
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: makaveli8x8]
#15811047 - 02/15/12 12:40 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Not going to have much of a choice I'm afraid. I was sad to hear AMD's plans for the near future. The idea of a monopoly makes me sick... it would be sweet to see AMD/ARM do something, anything. Customers ultimately are the ones funding these companies, so people buy Intel for a reason.
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#15811239 - 02/15/12 01:12 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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amd's not going anywhere, and the reason people go intel is because they want to buy the best so they can gloat on facebook or w/e for a few months. Amd produces products for gaming just like intel, they just arn't going to chase intel anymore thats all thats changed from what ive heard. So that leaves great products at great prices for great gaming, people are starting to realize intel isn't worth it unless you want to gloat that is, but to a gamer...no because the $200 u saved on your cpu/motherboard/ram can go towards a future gpu upgrade. If i had gone amd on my last build i could almost build an entire new system now since the cpu alone was a $200 premium over amd's current offering the mb was at least $100 extra as well. The performance gain? not anywhere worth it.
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: makaveli8x8]
#15811511 - 02/15/12 02:17 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
makaveli8x8 said:
thing is i think amd realized and pc gamers are starting to realize is pc hardware goes alot further now mainly because consoles are holding the games back alot more now. chasing intel makes no sense, nor does the premium for their products anymore
You backwards, upside-down, and uninformed as usual. AMD is "throwing in the towel" in the PC proc market (most probably) because they cannot imitate the necessary manufacture processes that will be powering intel's cutting-edge tri-gate processors. Someday they might, but it's currently not something they can just reverse engineer in an afternoon, so they're backing off to markets where the raw power doesn't matter: mobile and proprietary devices. In addition to this they haven't been doing well in that market in the first place, with moronic ugly-duckling blunders like their X3 series.
It's also common knowledge that their architecture is essentially secondhand to intel's, and thereby usually technically inferior tit-for-tat. I'm not saying AMD is a bad company or that their products or bad, just that they exist to fill a market of budget over performance, so that's what you're getting. If you buy intel you're buying the industry leading design. You're buying improved stability, higher efficiency, and ultimately a product from a company that has more out-and-out more experience designing said products.
Right here I have two computers. One is an AMD rig with an athlon X2, the other a core2. Both procs now cost ~$100. The athlon X2, unfortunately, has proven to be a poor performer, even outright incompatible on one occasion. There seems to be some cohesion between the people writing the graphics libraries and intel themselves. While the same hardware in the same clock core2duo is running Skyrim on all-high topped out settings perfectly smooth, the X2 is struggled. The general impression I get it that the intel processor was designed better in the first place, and on top of that as it has aged software vendors have better utilized it's potential.
That's why the X2 is now collecting dust, for when I happen to one day buy another power supply and use it for some awesome purpose.
While monopolies are generally bad, breaking up intel would be even worse a prospect. There are very few groups with the talent and tools to develop the most advanced nanotechnology applications mankind has ever seen. You have to appreciate that where there's a cutting edge, there is always someone holding the blade.
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Edited by blujay (02/15/12 02:29 AM)
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: makaveli8x8]
#15811931 - 02/15/12 04:49 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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total bullshit, as far as gaming goes even the budget sandybridge cpus are able to hang w/ amd's best... tomshardware ranks intel's cpus ahead for gaming in the sub $100, $100-200, & $200+ categories....
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: CosmicJoke]
#15812104 - 02/15/12 06:32 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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its only bullshit if you read what i wrote wrong, where did i say amd's cpu's were faster? yah thought so...
and blujay like i said "last i heard" they weren't going anywhere they weren't going to chase intel and now that u mention it i remember them saying they were going to focus more on laptops and smaller stuff like that, old news from like a year ago...
but u make it sound like they are going to stop making cpu's or something, how about sharing that article...
Edit: found a few articles is this what your talking about? interesting because both say nothing about dropping out of the cpu buisness, only a change in strategy, and both articles say they will still stay committed to x86
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-APU-Z-Series-ARM-Tegra-3,14114.html
http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/107133-amd-to-attempt-self-resurrection-but-not-with-arm
so unless im missing something...you either dropped in misinformed to tell me im misinformed or you reconfirmed what i already said which doesn't make sense when u start off telling me im misinformed which is misleading to say the lead
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: makaveli8x8]
#15812644 - 02/15/12 11:10 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said:
its only bullshit if you read what i wrote wrong, where did i say amd's cpu's were faster? yah thought so...
and blujay like i said "last i heard" they weren't going anywhere they weren't going to chase intel and now that u mention it i remember them saying they were going to focus more on laptops and smaller stuff like that, old news from like a year ago...
but u make it sound like they are going to stop making cpu's or something, how about sharing that article...
Edit: found a few articles is this what your talking about? interesting because both say nothing about dropping out of the cpu buisness, only a change in strategy, and both articles say they will still stay committed to x86
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-APU-Z-Series-ARM-Tegra-3,14114.html
http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/107133-amd-to-attempt-self-resurrection-but-not-with-arm
so unless im missing something...you either dropped in misinformed to tell me im misinformed or you reconfirmed what i already said which doesn't make sense when u start off telling me im misinformed which is misleading to say the lead
You might as well be illiterate. I specifically said they were going to change their focus to mobile and proprietary CPU applications and not desktop CPUs, possibly because intel has technology now that makes theirs obsolete.
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: makaveli8x8]
#15813153 - 02/15/12 01:31 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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its only bullshit if you read what i wrote wrong, where did i say amd's cpu's were faster? yah thought so...
except your argument was that intel was for people who wanted to brag on facebook and wasn't worth it, when the reality is intel cpus are superior for gaming at all price points... there are budget sandy bridge builds, you don't have to drop $370 for an i7-2700k...
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Re: First gaming rig, need advice my fellow shroomerites [Re: blujay]
#15816085 - 02/15/12 11:54 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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sounds like you just restated the same thing yet again, but have yet to prove it, show me the article saying they are quitting the desktop cpu buisness or i guess u could restate your point a forth time i suppose...
cosmic:
again i never said they were faster, and the list your talking about on tomshardware doesn't account for the fact that you can save money and not notice it. For example take the $100-$200 price point they put "honorable mention" like they almost left it out, yet its clearly the best value and look at the money your saving $30 from the next step up on that list of theres.
For a long long time amd has been the best bang for the buck, and intel might be trying to close that gap yet there's still one factor left out, you still save, and you don't need the extra performance because games are being optimized and ported ect. These cpu's are all very powerful, and they will play all your games for a long while.
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