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 Re: arguments for and against evolution  [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#15693973 - 01/20/12 06:52 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Evolution is possibly false because retards populate the earth and weak animals are surviving all around.
It's not the fittest that survives, but the one best adapted to its environment. Think about it.
Doesn't that seem almost tautologous to you?
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: morrowasted]
#15693989 - 01/20/12 06:55 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Evolution is possibly false because retards populate the earth and weak animals are surviving all around.
It's not the fittest that survives, but the one best adapted to its environment. Think about it.
Doesn't that seem almost tautologous to you?
Oh sorry, it's kinda late and English is not my mother tongue. You're right. 
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: Mr Stainez]
#15694051 - 01/20/12 07:10 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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If Adam and Eve were white, and evolution does not exist, where did negros come from?
over many generations the suns heat caused more melanin production which helps protect africans from the heat of the sun but also added a darker tone to the skin.
on the other hand this also prevents as much absorption of Vitamin D in more sheltered/less sunny regions.
Modern day europeans lived in less sunny areas thus produced much slimmer amounts of melanin in order to absorb more vitamin d and sunlight in their less than desert heat regions... look around and you can trace back
Some call it evolution. I call it adaptation.
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: grimR]
#15694067 - 01/20/12 07:13 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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If Adam and Eve were white, and evolution does not exist, where did negros come from?
over many generations the suns heat caused more melanin production which helps protect africans from the heat of the sun but also added a darker tone to the skin.
on the other hand this also prevents as much absorption of Vitamin D in more sheltered/less sunny regions.
Modern day europeans lived in less sunny areas thus produced much slimmer amounts of melanin in order to absorb more vitamin d and sunlight in their less than desert heat regions... look around and you can trace back
Some call it evolution. I call it adaptation.
No one said Adam and Eve weren't black.
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: grimR]
#15694076 - 01/20/12 07:14 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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basically if ppl think u dont carry genes of ur ancestors ur crazy. the bible has a lot of good stories tho
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: grimR]
#15694093 - 01/20/12 07:18 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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personally I dont know if adam and eve were black or not and its not something that even crossed my mind. all i was saying was we adapt to our environments... whether we started black and moved to less sunny areas losing melanin is another story... or started lighter who cares. the only point I had was species adapt...
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confirmation bias. if you've read any of my other posts you'd see that i'm hardly a christian hater. in fact i get into it quite a bit with our resident materialists/atheists.
I've heard of confirmation bias about a month a go.. Since then I've been seeing it everywhere! o.O
we all have it. it's just the way we work. but knowing about it at least gives us a slight edge in catching it ahead of time, occasionally.
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: grimR]
#15694518 - 01/20/12 09:07 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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basically if ppl think u dont carry genes of ur ancestors ur crazy. the bible has a lot of good stories tho
Anyone, christian or not that does not believe in genetics is an idiot.
Ill repeat my earlier statement from pg 2 or 3:
Gregor Mendel, a religious Friar, was the Father of Genetics.
So that shouldn't be a point of contention.
If you guys want some good material to debate, check here:
http://www.conservapedia.com/General_and_Special_Evidence_for_Intelligent_Design_in_Biology
And before the Logical fallacies fly id like to state:
Yes the majority of this information is sponsored by fellow of the discovery institute.
No proponents of Id are not all christian as there are agnostic, muslim, and even atheist who support some of these claims.
Please review the info before attacking it.
If you choose to seek refutations of this work, be sure to check the rebuttals to those refutations as well, in the interest of knowledge of course.
I am a christian, not by faith but by careful consideration, again religious affiliation is irrelevant to the argument.
The bible, jesus, or the flying spaghetti monster IMO do not have any place in this discussion. A plea to scripture is not necessary to refute evolution and is also irrelevant here.
If we need proof of scientist Denying darwinian mechanisms as an explanation of the complexity of life simply go back to the beginning Of the thread to find my links.
The scientist dissent of darwin list some 700-800 names IS SPONSORED by the discovery institute and contains not only their names but Doctorate degrees and universities in which they currently reside. This is not intended as a plea to consensus as that would be retarded of me seeing that the majority is obviously on the other side. Rather it is simply to be used as evidence that not all deniers of darwin are uneducated. So that argument can hopefully be thrown out as a plea to authority.
The PSSI (physicians and surgeons for scientific integrity) list is NOT sponsored by the discovery institute, nor do they promote ID and even disagree with discovery inst. publicly. The important point there is that there are active medical professionals who deny Macro-Evolution.
Have fun reading! If possible i recommend finding some of the books referenced in ebook form as some are free.
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: Circle Jerk]
#15694553 - 01/20/12 09:14 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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The PSSI (physicians and surgeons for scientific integrity) list is NOT sponsored by the discovery institute, nor do they promote ID and even disagree with discovery inst. publicly. The important point there is that there are active medical professionals who deny Macro-Evolution.
Have fun reading! If possible i recommend finding some of the books referenced in ebook form as some are free.
This statement is completely untrue, they are affiliated and I have already mentioned that. If you bothered to read the first sentence on wikipedia you would have known that. I would like you to site the source that the two groups are unassociated and if you can not I will assume that you make up your own information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_and_Surgeons_for_Scientific_Integrity
You might also want to read this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
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The PSSI (physicians and surgeons for scientific integrity) list is NOT sponsored by the discovery institute, nor do they promote ID and even disagree with discovery inst. publicly. The important point there is that there are active medical professionals who deny Macro-Evolution.
Have fun reading! If possible i recommend finding some of the books referenced in ebook form as some are free.
This statement is completely untrue, they are affiliated and I have already mentioned that. If you bothered to read the first sentence on wikipedia you would have known that. I would like you to site the source that the two groups are unassociated and if you can not I will assume that you make up your own information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_and_Surgeons_for_Scientific_Integrity
You might also want to read this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
LMAO@ Ad Wikipedium as a plea to authority.
I would recommend reading Rich Akin's (the founder and creator of PSSI) remarks on the issue and his struggles with wikipedia on the issue. If you read the first paragraph on the wiki page in question can clearly see an a priori dismissal and bias on the part of this wiki author, and again irrelevant to the argument as thus equates to ad hominem and red herring on your part my friend.
Let us please stick to the argument.
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"DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is, and we dance to its music." Richard Dawkins
Edited by Circle Jerk (01/20/12 09:36 PM)
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This applies to this argument-
The level of support for evolution among scientists, the public and other groups is a topic that frequently arises in the creation-evolution controversy and touches on educational, religious, philosophical, scientific and political issues. The subject is primarily contentious in the United States. However, it is also important in other countries where creationists advocate the teaching of creationism as a valid alternative to evolution, or portray the modern evolutionary synthesis as an inadequate scientific paradigm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution
The united states in one of the only places on the planet that openly argues evolution vs. creation and it is because of the of the misinformation and pseudoscience of the discovery institute and there big money spent on buying people and having them lie on the record for them.
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This applies to this argument-
The level of support for evolution among scientists, the public and other groups is a topic that frequently arises in the creation-evolution controversy and touches on educational, religious, philosophical, scientific and political issues. The subject is primarily contentious in the United States. However, it is also important in other countries where creationists advocate the teaching of creationism as a valid alternative to evolution, or portray the modern evolutionary synthesis as an inadequate scientific paradigm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution
The united states in one of the only places on the planet that openly argues evolution vs. creation and it is because of the of the misinformation and pseudoscience of the discovery institute and there big money spent on buying people and having them lie on the record for them.
Do you have proof of such Bribery? That is a big accusation.
Id also like to point out the fact that the lists of scientist and medical professionals includes scientist in several other countries. So no it is not an issue unique to the US.
Not exactly proof for or against evolution, just special pleading.
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"DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is, and we dance to its music." Richard Dawkins
Edited by Circle Jerk (01/20/12 09:43 PM)
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: Circle Jerk]
#15694706 - 01/20/12 09:42 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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The PSSI (physicians and surgeons for scientific integrity) list is NOT sponsored by the discovery institute, nor do they promote ID and even disagree with discovery inst. publicly. The important point there is that there are active medical professionals who deny Macro-Evolution.
Have fun reading! If possible i recommend finding some of the books referenced in ebook form as some are free.
This statement is completely untrue, they are affiliated and I have already mentioned that. If you bothered to read the first sentence on wikipedia you would have known that. I would like you to site the source that the two groups are unassociated and if you can not I will assume that you make up your own information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_and_Surgeons_for_Scientific_Integrity
You might also want to read this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
LMAO@ Ad Wikipedium as a plea to authority.
I would recommend reading Rich Akin's (the founder and creator of PSSI) remarks on the issue and his struggles with wikipedia on the issue. If you read the first paragraph on the wiki page in question can clearly see an a priori dismissal and bias on the part of this wiki author, and again irrelevant to the argument as thus equates to ad hominem on your part my friend.
Let us please stick to the argument.
It was not meant to be a personal attack but fuck man. I lesson to you, when you post things, I read them, I read your links but I don't feel like the feeling is mutual. If you are going to have a conversation with someone you should lesson to what they have to say back. We talked about all of this yesterday. The PSSI and the discovery institute and not reputable organizations!!!!!!!! 
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LMAO@ Ad Wikipedium as a plea to authority.
I would recommend reading Rich Akin's (the founder and creator of PSSI) remarks on the issue and his struggles with wikipedia on the issue. If you read the first paragraph on the wiki page in question can clearly see an a priori dismissal and bias on the part of this wiki author, and again irrelevant to the argument as thus equates to ad hominem on your part my friend.
Let us please stick to the argument.
It was not meant to be a personal attack but fuck man. I lesson to you, when you post things, I read them, I read your links but I don't feel like the feeling is mutual. If you are going to have a conversation with someone you should lesson to what they have to say back. We talked about all of this yesterday. The PSSI and the discovery institute and not reputable organizations!!!!!!!!
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"DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is, and we dance to its music." Richard Dawkins
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: Circle Jerk]
#15694753 - 01/20/12 09:52 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I apologize for the LMAO, it wasnt meant as an insult. Ive been bit by the wiki fallacy before.
I respect ur opinions man, i thought that was apparent by my pos rating to u for the posts.
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"DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is, and we dance to its music." Richard Dawkins
Edited by Circle Jerk (01/20/12 09:54 PM)
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: Circle Jerk] 1
#15694801 - 01/20/12 10:00 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Man i must look like a douche.
Im out dudes.
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"DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is, and we dance to its music." Richard Dawkins
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: morrowasted]
#15695553 - 01/21/12 01:03 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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An experiment was conducted by the British National Council of Arts. A computer was placed in a cage with six monkeys. After one month of hammering away at it (as well as using it as a bathroom!), the monkeys produced fifty typed pages—but not a single word. Schroeder noted that this was the case even though the shortest word in the English language is one letter (a or I). A is a word only if there is a space on either side of it. If we take it that the keyboard has thirty characters (the twenty-six letters and other symbols), then the likelihood of getting a one-letter word is 30 times 30 times 30, which is 27,000. The likelihood of a getting a one-letter word is one chance out of 27,000.
It's remarkable that the monkeys didn't produce a single word, because the expected value for the number of one-letter words is 6.7, and the expected value for the number of two-letter words is approximately 11, assuming that the fifty pages contain 90,000 random symbols (including spaces and line breaks). In the actual monkey experiment, if I remember correctly, most of the output was long repetitions of the letter 'S'. So monkeys are apparently not good random number generators. This is just an amusing anecdote that has nothing at all do to with evolution.
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Re: arguments for and against evolution [Re: Rhizoid]
#15721771 - 01/26/12 07:39 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I believe that this is relevant to this discussion and should be watch by all "Intelligent Design" fanboys.
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wiki links.
wiki links errwhere.
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