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 Whats the point of Evolution? 
#15698283 - 01/21/12 06:42 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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This is in answer to a question posed on how God can be all knowing without learning. It was said that if he knows what learning is, he must have learned himself, so he cannot have always been omniscient. Here is the response.
That is powerful, isn't it. I'll try to solve the problem of learning and omniscience. Remember that God in his manifest aspect it seems would have a beginning, the stirring of consciousness we looked at. Only his infinite unconscious aspect would have no beginning, as it says in Genesis(birth) In the beginning. So, we can assume that this aspect of God has a beginning. It seems to me that the journey would take one from complete unconsciousness to complete consciousness, as a crescendo. So, this evolution would take one from the least conscious form, something like a unicellular organism, and evolve into evermore complex conscious forms, till at last self-awareness becomes possible. Does this sound familiar? So God, in his manifest aspect, becomes all knowing through evolution of consciousness, and the first form to become fully conscious and transcend the illusion of separation, can be named the Conscious God with his Omni-attributes. He would reflect the experience of everything at once, all being, all knowing, and all power within Himself.
So, the manifest aspect of God had a beginning, and is not the timeless state of unconscious infinity. Once he achieved the highest capacity for self awareness, he reflects the whole of the Cosmos, everything and nothing, time and eternity, all power, all knowledge and bliss. But, I do believe that this state must be achieved in the human form, because without separation, there can be no consciousness. The droplet must be 'separate' from all the other droplets to reflect the sum of them all, the Ocean. At the same time, it is One with the Ocean, part and parcel of the Whole. Paradox of paradoxes.
So what do you think, is evolution a transition of complete unconsciousness to complete consciousness?
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: PowerPlants]
#15699433 - 01/21/12 11:08 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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i dont give a shit about evolution because i'm living in the now and evolution doesn't concern me or affect me in any way
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: EAPoe]  1
#15699493 - 01/21/12 11:19 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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LookQuote:
EAPoe said:
i dont give a shit about evolution because i'm living in the now and evolution doesn't concern me or affect me in any way
So not true!
By looking back on your own species' evolution, you can learn much about yourself.
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like what
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: EAPoe]
#15699556 - 01/21/12 11:33 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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If you like to live in the Now, then you are mentally evolving. Learning from the past and growing, this is evolution. Peace
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: PowerPlants]
#15699604 - 01/21/12 11:46 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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true. short term evolution i guess. i just don't care about the whole darwinian view of evolution.
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: PowerPlants]
#15700581 - 01/22/12 05:27 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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A vast array of experience leading to the universe becoming conscious of itself leading to a vast array of experience
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: The Chronic]
#15700652 - 01/22/12 06:39 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I think things grow and evolve because it's the nature of the universe. It's a living entity. I know that sounds tautological but you can get a 'feel' for it if you just LIVE. Feel your body, feel others bodies, feel great, observe animals and their amazing design...
It's some kind of celebration.
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: circastes]
#15701141 - 01/22/12 11:44 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Not every rug is woven with points. Sometimes they're a one-line drawing.
It only looks like a tail because we can't see the whole cat.
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The way I understand it, there is no 'point' to evolution, as in there is no guarantee that evolution will lead to self-aware forms of life.
Its simply a process by which life becomes adapted to survive and thrive in it's environment. We can look at life on Earth and see that complex life forms have arisen from simpler lifeforms but whether evolution will inevitably, always lead to self-awareness and the existence of consciousness is unknown.
Maybe self awareness is a complete freak occurance, in which case humans are a very rare thing. On the other hand maybe on a planet where you get the right conditions life will always arise and will always lead to self-aware, intelligent life forms, in which case there is guaranteed to be other life out there.
As an aside, scientists still haven't been able to demonstrate how the very first life (single celled organisms) arises from unliving molecules (as far as I know). There are theories but they havent been able to recreate the event. When science can demonstrate how life is able to first come into existence from pure unliving chemistry, good bye basis for all religion. Man I hope that happens in my life time. I will dance in the street. That will be a pan-societal changing event because it will show us our true place in the universe and will dispell all the religious fairy tales once and for all.
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: psyke101]
#15706715 - 01/23/12 02:13 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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psyke101 said:That will be a pan-societal changing event because it will show us our true place in the universe and will dispell all the religious fairy tales once and for all.
Doubt it
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: PowerPlants]
#15708518 - 01/23/12 09:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Jesus=perfect incarnation of cosmic consciousness in egoic form. I think Krishna is in this category too, also Sri Yukteswar the dude in my sig. They do more "occult" work.
Buddha=perfect incarnation of void, abiding beyond I AM. I think Shankara, Ramana, and Mooji fit this bill, as would a bunch of Tibetan monks probably, such as Milarepa from the 13th century. It's amazing to me that Mooji is a being living in western civilization during my life time who is such a realized being, a real Buddha! Although textual Buddhism might refer to him as an "Arthant," i don't know.
I think we've had our fair share of the Christ type...I mean shit...look at Kurt Cobain 
to me those are the twin pinnacles of evolution 
you don't have to be one or the other! Although if you're tryin to get laid you just might be on the manifest side of things! 
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: PowerPlants]
#15708713 - 01/23/12 09:54 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I think what your post describes leans more towards the "christ" model, a full manifestation of God in human form, an incarnation of "i-amness" which abides as such in a quote unquote perfect fashion to the point of being one with cosmic consciousness (the transfiguration).
i guess the buddha model i described is different because in that view you are beyond the "i am," you are literally residing in nirvana. There's no you, you are not God's son or even God...you aren't. The void which is always here 
Every being surely exists as both models at different moments in their lifetime, but I wouldn't be surprised if particular bodyminds tend towards one or the other...or maybe it's even more varied and beautiful than just these two models for evolution, in fact it probably is....dis just be my yin and yang 
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: g00ru]
#15708925 - 01/23/12 10:39 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry guruu you lost me mate. I have no idea what your on about with all your subjective 'I-amness' and 'god in human form' etc.
Isn't the OP's question relating to evolution? (as in the scientific theory).
His questions are: 'What is the point of evolution?' and 'is evolution a transition of complete unconsciousness to complete consciousness?'
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: psyke101]
#15708965 - 01/23/12 10:48 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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haha das true homie, well for me the word evolution refers just as much to a process of spiritual, mental, and physical development that every being is undergoing, including animals...AKA Life. The biological theory is just one part of it.
Ya i guess the stuff that ties in religion is a little out there, don't rack your brain over it  i'm just puttin it up in case it makes sense to anybody at all.
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: g00ru]
#15709225 - 01/23/12 11:49 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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You know guruu, I wonder if they have their cake and eat it too. Cause if they're teaching, someone or thing is speaking the words. I know nirvana is very very nice and pure, but I would like to have a little of both. I mean, in nirvana nothing happens at all, and I'd like to come down and experience form once in a while, ya know? I think there is a transition of going up and coming back down(figuratively), like in Ramakrishna's life, he'd be fully conscious talking and eating, then he'd be semi-conscious dancing, and then he'd go still and be in samadhi which I assume he was in nirvana. That'd be the life to me, alternating between perfect maya and nirvana all the time.
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: PowerPlants]
#15709262 - 01/23/12 11:57 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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From my experience, it's best not to worry about what Nirvana is like, how you will act and experience when Nirvana is achieved, how great Nirvana is, etc. These are all hindrances I believe. I've thought up of many images of what Nirvana is like, from a brilliant white light, to some sort of void, to some sort of God like omnipotence . But realize it's impossible to grasp what Nirvana is like so I think the best advice would be to completely forget about Nirvana and Enlightenment, and just practice.
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: White Beard]
#15709294 - 01/24/12 12:05 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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White Beard, you know I'm just havin' fun. No worrying here, Just Wonder and Wondering! Talking about these things can be a hindrance for one, for another this kind of talk can literally Stop the mind and throw one into the state itself. I'm on the latter side, I know of states without thought and many times something fantastically and beautifully said will stop my mind and launch me into a state of subtle feeling, which is the key to being formless. Peace! Nice pic by the way.
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: PowerPlants]
#15709312 - 01/24/12 12:10 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks! Yeah, I was just saying from observing my own mind, I often have very similar thoughts, such as, 'When I achieve Enlightenment, I sure hope I can go around and do things!" Then I get caught up all in a whole bunch of new worries.
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Re: Whats the point of Evolution? [Re: PowerPlants]
#15711826 - 01/24/12 04:17 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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PowerPlants said:
You know guruu, I wonder if they have their cake and eat it too. Cause if they're teaching, someone or thing is speaking the words. I know nirvana is very very nice and pure, but I would like to have a little of both. I mean, in nirvana nothing happens at all, and I'd like to come down and experience form once in a while, ya know? I think there is a transition of going up and coming back down(figuratively), like in Ramakrishna's life, he'd be fully conscious talking and eating, then he'd be semi-conscious dancing, and then he'd go still and be in samadhi which I assume he was in nirvana. That'd be the life to me, alternating between perfect maya and nirvana all the time.
ya no doubt! that's how i see my life organizing itself actually. very whitman esque. I guess all distinctions eventually dissolve...but I do think some beings like Maharishi only dip into maya, they don't dive into it.
Christ on the other hand, he was washing the leper's feet and whatnot. Of course, the world sucked back then. Modern day he'd totally be a dubstep producer 
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