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 Bundy
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 Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? 
#15694170 - 01/20/12 07:32 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I was diagnosed Schizophrenic in 2010.
6 months later Paranoid Schizophrenic
about 1-2 months later Paranoid Schizoaffective disorder.
Now, it's about a year and half...
I'm going downhill.
More voices, more often, more visuals, more often.
Suicidal thoughts.
I feel like my brain is at war with my body. Or my Mind is at war with my Mind?
I take my pills. It's a lot worse off, but it just seems to be getting worse.
It's even started to tackle my sense. I can feel my visual hallucinations touch me, or I can smell fire. Or I feel like there are bugs crawling all over my feet.
It's draining me pretty hard. I just want to know if this shit gets better or worse with age.
Fuck man, honestly... I wish I went into the Doctors office and they said I had Cancer instead. At least with cancer you don't suffer for as long as someone with Schizophrenia.
Like, if the Doc said "Hey Bund, you have Cancer, you have 6 months. Lots of pain. I'm sorry." I'd cry, say my I love you's, and go on my way.
Instead, the Doc said "Hey Bund, you have Schizophrenia."
Suffer until you die.
I see some Schizophrenics in the city... homeless, talking to themselves, yelling random things.
Shit scares me.
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 Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: Bundy]
#15694255 - 01/20/12 07:56 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I'm sorry to hear that Bundy. I can relate. I mean I believe I'm poisoned but everyone else says I'm schizophrenic. What the fuck. Yeah I'd rather have cancer to. At least you know for a fact you have it. What medications do you take?
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Bundy
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reeferaddict69 said:
I'm sorry to hear that Bundy. I can relate. I mean I believe I'm poisoned but everyone else says I'm schizophrenic. What the fuck. Yeah I'd rather have cancer to. At least you know for a fact you have it. What medications do you take?
40mg of Latuda, although tonight I'm going to up it to 80mg, and 4mg of Klonopin a day.
Though after my binge of Klonopin I haven't touched it.
So yeah, basically just the Latuda.
and my fucking Dr was like "You are doing better, I'm going to discharge you from therapy."
Now I'm calling like every day begging to get back in.
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 Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: Bundy]
#15694527 - 01/20/12 09:09 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: cateyes]
#15694889 - 01/20/12 10:19 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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The mere fact that you acknowledge that you have an issue means that you're not that far off.
When you start thinking that you're not schizophrenic, THEN you have a problem.
I am not schizophrenic myself, but my uncle is. I hate to say it, but I think it's here to stay. Which SUCKS. I'm sorry to hear. I think I honestly would rather have cancer, too. It'll suck for a bit, but at least my reality will be accurate and it'll have an end in sight.
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: Shroomerited]
#15694920 - 01/20/12 10:27 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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There is LOTS of hope, Bundy.
1 in 100 people are schizophrenic at some point in their life. I have read that a lot of schizophrenics get much better as they get older.
I don't know how old you are but the worst of it is likely to happen between the age of 18 and 25.
I have also been diagnosed as schizophrenic - I had visual/audio hallucinations, severe delusions and suicidal tendencies.
It really fucked me up from age 20-23, but my schizophrenia is pretty much completely gone. That doesn't mean that it won't come back, but I know now for sure that this is a disease you can recover from and it does not need to ruin your life.
As far as the pills go, well, I can't say whether or not you should take them. I take medication .. not really sure if it does anything, but whenever I stopped taking them I got pretty fucked up. Some people don't need medication.
There is hope.. 
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cateyes
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you people should look into my link god damn it! i just can't believe it... it always happens this way... it always takes a family member to reach out to me... everyone seems to be content on their meds... i just don't get it... i was able to motivate myself and i was pretty deep into it.. you guys are in touch... many schizo's go years unaware there is a problem... i was there for years and all it took was a brief reprieve and some support from others to motivate me... i hang here for this moment, as i hang at other sites too... look at that website god damn it! or just deal with it then..... 
Kensho 
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: cateyes]
#15696621 - 01/21/12 10:55 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I'm with Kensho on this one. He's a striking example of how a little(ok, a lot of)motivation and change in diet can change your thoughts. It's the way you think that's ruining you and it's the way you think that can save you. You can't have healthy thoughts without first being healthy.
I wish you the best Bundy.. I never had it as bad as you and luckily my episode was temporary, so I don't know the depth of what you're experiencing but I feel for you nonetheless.
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#15696668 - 01/21/12 11:13 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not against the whole "Diet, healthy, yada yada yada"
however. For me, it's not a factor.
I don't eat red meat. Chicken, or fish.
I stay away from fried food as much as possible.
When I want mexican I go to Moe's ( they're food is gluten free, all of it. Except the beef, but again, I stay away from red meat )
I exersize. I run about a mile a day, and do 2-3 miles on bike. ( at the gym )
and weights. I also bowl.
I got blood work done recently and my counts are extremely good all around.
I'm a bit under weight, but I'm picking it up in muscle.
I wish for me it was as simple as "diet, and exercise."
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: Bundy]
#15696687 - 01/21/12 11:22 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Yes but you might have a hard time getting or absorbing one or more piece of the nutritional puzzle and it's throwing everything off kilter.
I hate to say this because it sounds like I'm trying to pretend that know what I'm talking about, but there's really no other way for me to say it. You give these thoughts too much merit. You probably spend so much time thinking about when you will get some symptoms, that even when they aren't present, you're stressing yourself out about them, therefor actually causing them. You're feeding your illness.
That's only my presumption based on my brief 6 month long stint with schizophrenic symptoms. I would worry all day about hearing voices and I would worry so bad that I actually caused them. Luckily I had my dad basically give me a brainwave and something clicked right then and there.. I don't know how to explain it. Once I realized how much I was causing my own distress, I was able to stop worrying so much and effectively stop the symptoms from appearing.
Now this may not be the case with you and I don't want to offend you.. I'm just trying to help and all I have are my own experiences to go on, so I'm sorry if you think I'm trying to make a mockery of your illness by saying you're causing it because that's not how it's meant. You aren't consciously doing it and I don't even know if what I'm saying applies to you at all.
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: Bundy]
#15696848 - 01/21/12 12:22 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Bundy said:
I'm not against the whole "Diet, healthy, yada yada yada"
however. For me, it's not a factor.
I don't eat red meat. Chicken, or fish.
I stay away from fried food as much as possible.
When I want mexican I go to Moe's ( they're food is gluten free, all of it. Except the beef, but again, I stay away from red meat )
I exersize. I run about a mile a day, and do 2-3 miles on bike. ( at the gym )
and weights. I also bowl.
I got blood work done recently and my counts are extremely good all around.
I'm a bit under weight, but I'm picking it up in muscle.
I wish for me it was as simple as "diet, and exercise."
there something going on below the radar bundy... in my case i'm unable to use vitamin b6 normally, i have to use it in it's methylated form... i also have a problem using b2 and b3... b3 especially... but i can use it in it's natural form only i need to use it in extremely high doses in relation to the rda... so far it's been determined i may need to use 3 grams of b3 each day in 3 divided doses... and i had 4 underlying conditions that all the fucking tests in the world missed because they ran the wrong fucking tests!  regular doctors are clueless when it comes to schizophrenia/schizoaffective disorder/bipolar w/psychosis... fucking psychiatrists and their chemical imbalance theory suck donkey Aaaassss! i didn't really suspect i had real issues either to be honest, because at that point, i was a lot like yourself by finally being able to grab the bull by the horns, but even after losing 70 pounds and getting rid of the anxiety, depression and mania i still had hallucinations, delusions and paranoia but they occurred quite abit less and were definitely less severe, so instead of getting all caught up in it, i was able to rationalize once again what these experiences were instead of getting all caught up in it and falling further down the rabbit hole... and all of my negative symptoms disappeared too. it wasn't until i found two MD's who knew what to look for that things began to completely fall into place. if it wasn't for them I'd be a semi functional schizophrenic as opposed to a schizoaffective bipolar type because i no longer had any mood disorder... i'm just throwing something out there that's all.. i won't bring it up ever again...
Kensho
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#15696862 - 01/21/12 12:25 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Nah, you're right. I stress all day about if I'm going to hear voices or not, and it usually triggers them.
Like, sometimes I think in my head "Wow, no voices today."
and then the flood gates open and I get "We are right here" and they just kick up.
I usually ( Now, recently ) put in headphones and listen to music all day long, or watch Netflix on my Mac with headphones to keep my mind busy.
Unfortunatly even when I'm in that situation, and I'm not thinking anything but song lyrics or story plots, I still see things.
When I try to quite my mind I see things.
When I don't, I hear things.
it's all just fucky
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: Bundy]
#15697451 - 01/21/12 03:17 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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you asked what is the prognosis... well it can blow over on it's own... remain the same forever or it can deepen to the point you lose all touch with reality... where you don't think, "am i gonna hear a voice today, because you don't recognize your voices are separate they become real and that's when they become a delusion... i came out of it after about 3 1/2- 4 years and with the help from others that's pretty much when i made my move... and about 7 months later it was all figured out. almost eight years total... so your just beginning your fucking journey... i wish you the best and i really hope you're one of the lucky ones... my wife and i were in Manhattan not too long ago, and we were crossing the street and this guy was deep into a hallucination... poor dude had no clue anyone else existed other then this voice or voices that were clearly tormenting him... i tried to say something to him but he gave me this look like i was one of them. it was actually heart breaking...
Kensho
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: cateyes]
#15700649 - 01/22/12 06:36 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Had some psychotic episodes... diagnosed with schizophrenia but I have some questions about their diagnosis... people say I'm crazy and I have a little insight into my thoughts being pretty damn random. I'm improving every day - more confident, more happy, more stable, natural highs last longer, events make sense, I can feel a whole range of emotions... I stopped taking meds though... though I'm on an antidepressant which really helps (if you find the right one).
See it as a challenge. Don't forget you're not fucked. People with brain damage in wheelchairs who lick the air and may not have human consciousness are fucked. You're not.
Good luck. (get a good antidepressant, it won't make you high it will make your thoughts positive)
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: circastes]
#15700802 - 01/22/12 08:49 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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My heart goes out to you man, and those being labelled 'schizophrenic' in this brutal soul-dead world we are oppressed in! I haven't had 'schizophrenia' but I have had deep interest in finding out about the mental health movement and seeing through its myth, and central to their myth is their insistence that schizophrenia is a biological disease that may need life-long medication.
Ideally I would want places like Soteria House, Diabasis:
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"...85% of our clients (all diagnosed as severely schizophrenic) at the Diabasis center not only improved, with no medications, but most went on growing after leaving us."
- John Weir Perry
and other places like that where people deemed to be schizophrenic could go and find a safe loving and caring space that doesn't treat them as diseased machines and understood these symptoms to be more spiritual John Weir Perry wrote a great book about Diabasis, and 'schizophrenia' and the people's experiences titled Trials of the Visionary Mind, which I read last summer. Highly recommended. These places were stopped funding because of massive pressure from the pharmaceutical industry which makes many millions from their toxic medications designed to suppress natural feelings and visionary experiences. Please see the bigger picture. What generally does this culture do which has the insitution of the mental health movement as its central measurer of 'normality', and social control? It wages a war on drugs, which includes psychedelics. Ie., as it demands the control of body and consciousness for all its 'normal' slaves so it does for those of us who find we cannot cope for many of the reasons due to the effects of this brutalizing civilization.
Edited by zzripz (01/22/12 08:52 AM)
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: zzripz]
#15700847 - 01/22/12 09:22 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
My heart goes out to you man, and those being labelled 'schizophrenic' in this brutal soul-dead world we are oppressed in! I haven't had 'schizophrenia' but I have had deep interest in finding out about the mental health movement and seeing through its myth, and central to their myth is their insistence that schizophrenia is a biological disease that may need life-long medication.
Ideally I would want places like Soteria House, Diabasis:
Quote:
"...85% of our clients (all diagnosed as severely schizophrenic) at the Diabasis center not only improved, with no medications, but most went on growing after leaving us."
- John Weir Perry
and other places like that where people deemed to be schizophrenic could go and find a safe loving and caring space that doesn't treat them as diseased machines and understood these symptoms to be more spiritual
John Weir Perry wrote a great book about Diabasis, and 'schizophrenia' and the people's experiences titled Trials of the Visionary Mind, which I read last summer. Highly recommended.
These places were stopped funding because of massive pressure from the pharmaceutical industry which makes many millions from their toxic medications designed to suppress natural feelings and visionary experiences.
Please see the bigger picture. What generally does this culture do which has the insitution of the mental health movement as its central measurer of 'normality', and social control? It wages a war on drugs, which includes psychedelics. Ie., as it demands the control of body and consciousness for all its 'normal' slaves so it does for those of us who find we cannot cope for many of the reasons due to the effects of this brutalizing civilization.
Cool post zzripz... unfortunately it seems bundy wants to go the med route... i put shit out there and he didn't even acknowledge me... now i'm cool with it, it's his life, but i tired to show him there was another way... bundy is treating me as if i'm some kind of fucking outsider who doesn't know squat! i have some real news for him, if he experienced just half of what i did during my experience i'd have some real respect, but this dude is aware, he has real awareness so i question the depths of his illness... i'm not saying he doesn't have it, i'm just saying he doesn't have it the way some of us did or continue to. out of everybody that i've been able to help, the vast majority of success stories are from family members who reached out to me on behalf of loved ones. some people just dig the thought of popping meds for the rest of their lives for some reason... you only gain pity from others for doing that and that a boys from your doctor.
i'm very familiar with the Soteria House project, too bad it's no longer out there and i've read the book but i've never seen the website of Diabasis before... thank you man... you are a real advocate for many people, and you don't even have a vested interest in it. this is the interesting thing... most people could give two shits... i really enjoy watching you do battle with people regarding establishment thinking... i wonder what is going on with Giza, is he back again? i haven't really been to spirituality for over a week now, but while i was there he all of a sudden disappeared after being all over the place and in every thread... i'm a little worried about him... i'm hoping to actually meet him this February or around that time... i'm hoping a face to face might open his eyes because i have some shit for him...
happy new year zzripz and PeaCe2u...
Kensho
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: cateyes]
#15700933 - 01/22/12 10:25 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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same to you cateyes and thanks for your support
I guess Bundy is taken in by the fierce propaganda of the 'medication' pressure, and I have to say that I am not anti people taking it IF IT IS THEIR CHOICE. by this I mean, I see my role as someone who can point them to other alternative ways of looking at this, and they may be either accepting or hostile, whatever, but bypassing that I am aware myself in the past I have resisted some info, but it bubbles away in my unconscious and then I come round
I KNOW the MASSIVE pressure to conform to the mental illness medical model, and when this is coupled with actual unnerving experiences---it is a big temptation to just take the pills etc because there is no actual alternative talk, or space, or care provided. There are some few and far between places, and if Bundy or anyone is interested, I will try and search some info out about them in a file I have?
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: zzripz]
#15701150 - 01/22/12 11:46 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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U GOOD PEPS!
Kensho
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: cateyes]
#15701661 - 01/22/12 02:11 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Damn Cateyes. Harsh.
I acknowledged you. I read everything you wrote every time. Just didn't reply.
I've gone off meds and tried MANY different routes. It just made me more and more and more fucked up.
even with my support system of family and friends.
But wow dude...
Just cause I didn't reply to you?
Fuck your Kensho.
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Re: Does Schizophrenia get better over-time? [Re: Bundy]
#15702261 - 01/22/12 04:39 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Bundy said:
I was diagnosed Schizophrenic in 2010.
6 months later Paranoid Schizophrenic
about 1-2 months later Paranoid Schizoaffective disorder.
Now, it's about a year and half...
I'm going downhill.
More voices, more often, more visuals, more often.
Suicidal thoughts.
I feel like my brain is at war with my body. Or my Mind is at war with my Mind?
I take my pills. It's a lot worse off, but it just seems to be getting worse.
It's even started to tackle my sense. I can feel my visual hallucinations touch me, or I can smell fire. Or I feel like there are bugs crawling all over my feet.
It's draining me pretty hard. I just want to know if this shit gets better or worse with age.
Fuck man, honestly... I wish I went into the Doctors office and they said I had Cancer instead. At least with cancer you don't suffer for as long as someone with Schizophrenia.
Like, if the Doc said "Hey Bund, you have Cancer, you have 6 months. Lots of pain. I'm sorry." I'd cry, say my I love you's, and go on my way.
Instead, the Doc said "Hey Bund, you have Schizophrenia."
Suffer until you die.
I see some Schizophrenics in the city... homeless, talking to themselves, yelling random things.
Shit scares me.
Maybe you should stop doing drugs besides the ones your doctor prescribes.
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