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RedRabbit said:
If it's taken the right way (supposively) then the trip is supposed to be even BETTER than psilocybin

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k00laid said:

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RedRabbit said:
If it's taken the right way (supposively) then the trip is supposed to be even BETTER than psilocybin

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thats just like

your opinion man

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JacksonMetaller said:
Yeah I'd like to know the effects on the body too because I havent been able to find much in terms of toxicity and overdose

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RigVedaLXVII.Soma said:
The ancient Hindu book is the Rig Veda. Actually to be more specific, the Ancient Indo-European Aryans in which some came to be known as Hindu's.
Read the book "Magic Mushrooms in Religion and Alchemy" by Clark Heinrich
It is the best all around resource I have found on the mushroom.
The last chapter is his experience with the Amanita muscaria. He tries it everyday for a month. He had a lot of negative experiences with it, and some really positive experiences with it.

There is no preparation that works for everyone. Everyone is different. Some say eating them fresh is best (not many say this), some say the tea is best, some say that they must be dried to feel there effects.

The only thing there is somewhat of scientific evidence of, is Ibotenic Acid decarboxylates into Muscimol. This can be achieved through drying or heating.
But the thing is, we don't even know if Ibotenic Acid or Muscimol is even the actives in Amanita muscaria, they are just most suspected. There are also about 10 other chemicals that are also somewhat suspected as psychoactive, which in fact may be and not Muscimol or Ibotenic Acid at all. There is a Acedemic Journal Article on it, I will try to find it.

Another thing that seems to reflect experiences, is Amanita muscaria is so widely varied in its effects. I have heard the Pacific Northwest's has been reported as weaker [Clark Heinrich is from Pacific Northwest though, He gathered his from the Mountains, at very high altitudes, and had some great experiences.], The Northeastern American yellow-orange variation: "Formosa", is reported very strong in its effects [myself included], And the beautiful lush red Amanita muscarias of Europe, which are also reported to be quite strong, but also varied in its effects.

I would recommend "Soma: Divine Mushroom of Immortality" by Gordon R. Wasson, as he is the first to bring this to attention, and it is a very long book, with TONs of information. I bought it on Amazon, a couple months ago. I wouldn't recommend it unless you are looking for information on the history, and ethnomycology of the Amanita muscaria, not the effects of the mushroom. Because something that didn't help Gordon R. Wasson's theory, is he himself never actually could experience the Amanita sucessfully, experiencing nothing but sleepiness, on multiple failed attempts. Unfortunate for him..

One acedemic report of positive affects of the mushroom, detail a man from japan, cooking the mushroom over an open flame, then consuming and having a wonderful experience. Which in turn, backs up the ibotenic acid decarboxylating into muscimol.

It is a very mysterious mushroom indeed.

Personally, I believe the Soma to be Amanita muscaria, Psilocybe sp [used by a different group], and Peganum harmala [used by the early Iranian persians, who were a group who branched off from the ancient Indo-Europeans.]

This is what I have gathered from countless days and nights researching an over 5 year obsession, this is how one goes about preparing amanita muscaria.
Understand what to look for, and how to truely Identify the mushroom, how to distinguish it from the very similar look alikes, and accept the fact that only a few of the known Amanita's have been identified and explained. It would not be unheard of to discover a new species, that looks like Amanita muscaria, yet is filled with deadly Amatoxins... So Taxonomy is everything! Its not a mushroom to be reckoned with.
Harvest mushrooms in the Fall (most potent suposedly)
Harvest only the most appealing (You will feel like it looks. If its old, eaten up, and shriveled, its going to be more painful)
Harvest the largest specimen (This is not like Psilocybe sp. you want the largest as they gain potency through age, and there is no ceiling effect suposedly)
Peel off the 1-3mm skin layer of the cap, and collect all the warts {universal viel remnants} (This is supposed to be the most potent part of the entire mushroom. Containing the least amount of other chemicals that may cause the negative effects.)
Dry the skins in the sun, if it is sunny enough, if not, then you will have to resort to using the oven. Dry on screen at the lowest setting. 180F degrees would be best but most ovens only go as low as 200F, so you should crack the oven door. Leave until dry, check ocasionally. (This alows Ibotenic Acid to convert to Muscimol. Thus making it easier to enter the body, and less body load.)
Submerge and massage the mushroom skins in water [preferably not tap, or chemically water], and rehydrate them. The mushroom skins will get kinda close to their original texture and it will tint the water red. So you will be making a tea. You want to Consume the Mushroom skins AND the Water. (this is shown to be the way it was prepared in the Rig Veda)
Consume the mushrooms on an empty stomach (May help nausea and body load)
Here is the real issue, that many end up giving up on. Realize to get a pleasant experience the only way is to consume the mushroom, go through hell, and feel horrible, maybe feel poisoned, then you'll have to drink the urine for the positive experience. (It is shown that the Urine contains all the suspected alkaloids, yet doesn't contain any of the chemicals that cause the hellish body-load. In turn giving you a pleasant experience without any of the negatives)


So I guess be devoted and willing to dive into the world of the unknown with the Amanita muscaria, or look into something else. It is a crazy ride, very unpredictable, with lots of ups and downs.

Good luck!

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RigVedaLXVII.Soma said:
This is what I have gathered from countless days and nights researching an over 5 year obsession, this is how one goes about preparing amanita muscaria.
Understand what to look for, and how to truely Identify the mushroom, how to distinguish it from the very similar look alikes, and accept the fact that only a few of the known Amanita's have been identified and explained. It would not be unheard of to discover a new species, that looks like Amanita muscaria, yet is filled with deadly Amatoxins... So Taxonomy is everything! Its not a mushroom to be reckoned with.
Harvest mushrooms in the Fall (most potent suposedly)
Harvest only the most appealing (You will feel like it looks. If its old, eaten up, and shriveled, its going to be more painful)
Harvest the largest specimen (This is not like Psilocybe sp. you want the largest as they gain potency through age, and there is no ceiling effect suposedly)
Peel off the 1-3mm skin layer of the cap, and collect all the warts {universal viel remnants} (This is supposed to be the most potent part of the entire mushroom. Containing the least amount of other chemicals that may cause the negative effects.)
Dry the skins in the sun, if it is sunny enough, if not, then you will have to resort to using the oven. Dry on screen at the lowest setting. 180F degrees would be best but most ovens only go as low as 200F, so you should crack the oven door. Leave until dry, check ocasionally. (This alows Ibotenic Acid to convert to Muscimol. Thus making it easier to enter the body, and less body load.)
Submerge and massage the mushroom skins in water [preferably not tap, or chemically water], and rehydrate them. The mushroom skins will get kinda close to their original texture and it will tint the water red. So you will be making a tea. You want to Consume the Mushroom skins AND the Water. (this is shown to be the way it was prepared in the Rig Veda)
Consume the mushrooms on an empty stomach (May help nausea and body load)
Here is the real issue, that many end up giving up on. Realize to get a pleasant experience the only way is to consume the mushroom, go through hell, and feel horrible, maybe feel poisoned, then you'll have to drink the urine for the positive experience. (It is shown that the Urine contains all the suspected alkaloids, yet doesn't contain any of the chemicals that cause the hellish body-load. In turn giving you a pleasant experience without any of the negatives)

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maug said:
I ate 25 dry grams of A. Pantherina which I picked when it was really cold out, and I felt nothing. There was no other species it could have been.

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maug said:
raw amanitas contain ibotenic acid, which can induce brain legions (physical, organic damage to the brain). When it's properly dried, the ibotenic acid is decarboxilated into muscimol which is much safer.

From here is can be eaten dry, made into tea, or made into a tar-like extract. Extract/dry don't give you nausea. The tea is god awful tasting and drinking it is quiet an endurance contest.

Op, you failed to deliver good news.

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