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The speech Ron Paul will never give
    #15649502 - 01/11/12 12:31 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Ronulans seem unable to grasp just what it is about this goof that turns off so many voters, especially Republican primary voters. Although there are more than just four issues on which Paul sucks ass, Michael Medved identifies four of the biggest here -

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The Big Speech Ron Paul Ought to Give
by Michael Medved Jan 10, 2012 6:00 PM EST


If Paul means to parlay his strong showings in Iowa and New Hampshire into a credible candidacy for president, he must deliver a major address. Something like this will do:




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“My fellow Americans: the movement for change that's taken shape with my campaign is too important and too promising to allow its distraction or destruction by persistent misunderstandings concerning some of my own past mistakes.

I therefore come before you tonight to confront four tough questions relentlessly raised by my critics—serious challenges that rightly trouble many patriotic citizens who otherwise share the values of liberty and limited government that have always animated my career.

1. First, I need not only to disavow but unequivocally to condemn the outrageous racially tinged comments that appeared in a series of Ron Paul newsletters sent out to subscribers some 20 years ago. As I’ve previously explained, I didn’t write a word of this material and have no real memory of reviewing it before publication. I trusted others to write and market my newsletters, and I clearly misplaced my trust. There is no excuse for my carelessness in handling this situation, nor my stubbornness in delaying acknowledgment of my errors.

Reading over these unsavory observations after two decades, I’m struck above all by one observation: in some ways, the nation has changed for the better in the intervening years, and so have I. The thoughtless, casually cruel, racially reckless comments that tarnished my name in the 1990s would be unthinkable in today's public sphere, and I can't imagine allowing them to be associated with my cause in any context. My commitment to liberty includes a passionate determination to liberate our minds from all forms of racial or religious bigotry.

2. In that context, I also need to make it clear that white supremacists, neo-Nazis, Holocaust deniers, and peddlers of paranoid conspiracy theories are not welcome in my campaign. I’ve always renounced the ideas of vile, violent fringe elements, but as an aspirant for the nation’s highest office, I also reject their support, in any form. Yes, I want to win this race; but no, I don’t want to win it through assistance from some of the most irresponsible voices in the public arena. I feel indignant and embarrassed, for instance, that a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and purveyor of America’s leading Nazi website prominently promotes photos in which I unwittingly shook his hand, and tries to legitimize his un-American ideas by raising money for my campaign. I don’t want such money, and won’t accept funds from toxic sources. The American people have a right to expect that anyone seeking the nation’s highest office will keep safe distance from all involvement with loathsome racist thugs.

3. Along similar lines, I make clear tonight that my campaign will not tolerate anti-Semitism of any kind—and I recognize that the vicious anti-Zionism preached in much of the Islamic world counts as today’s most dangerous form of anti-Semitism. Just as classical Jew hatred involves denial to Jewish people of rights conferred on every other nationality, so anti-Zionism involves the denial to the world’s only Jewish nation of the rights conferred on every other state—including the very right to exist. I support America’s successful determination to repeal a noxious U.N. resolution equating Zionism with racism—since Zionism is no less legitimate than any other form of nationalism.

This does not mean I support every policy of Israeli governments—American patriots, like Israeli patriots, have every right to speak up when duly elected leaders in Jerusalem reach decisions with which we disagree. But I strongly oppose efforts by President Obama and other leaders to impose their ideas for peace on the sovereign nation of Israel or on the Palestinian Authority. American micromanagement of the so-called peace process helps no one, and only detracts from our own national security.

n prior statements, and in my most recent book, Liberty Defined, I expressed strong sympathy for the Palestinian struggle and spoke critically of longstanding Israeli policies. But my concept of presidential leadership makes it inappropriate for a commander in chief to offer such comments or to prejudge the Middle East dispute—I want an America less involved, not more involved, with the affairs of other nations.

My desire to eliminate foreign aid—to Egypt, Jordan, and the Palestinians, as well as the Israelis—isn’t anti-Israeli. It’s pro-American and pro-Constitution. Like more and more Israelis, I believe any form of financial dependence on the United States is a threat to Israeli sovereignty. And in a Paul administration, there will be no change in our nation’s longstanding support for Israel’s place as a full member of the family of nations, living in security beside its neighbors—including, someday, a stable, peaceful Palestinian state.

4. Finally, let me remove all doubt tonight about the possibility that I will run an independent or minor-party campaign for president in 2012. If I fail to win the Republican nomination myself, I fully expect to support the nominee of our party in a vigorous effort to defeat Barack Obama. Until now, I have refused to rule out the notion of an independent candidacy because of my distaste for absolute, categorical pledges, but given the open, fair reception for my candidacy in GOP caucuses and primaries, I pledge to avoid a divisive, disastrous third-party effort that would only guarantee four more years of Democratic misrule. In 1988, while Ronald Reagan still led the nation and the GOP, I left the Republican Party to run as a minor-party candidate, and ended up winning less than half of 1 percent of the national vote. This experience did nothing to advance my ideals—beyond teaching important lessons about the futility of trying to work outside the two-party system.

Leading up to the convention in Tampa, I will continue to campaign vigorously for the nomination and, even more important, make the case for the principles of liberty to which I have devoted my life. If the ultimate nominee of our party embraces those ideals—or even most of them—and simultaneously demonstrates openness to a more realistic, more affordable foreign policy, I will offer that candidate enthusiastic support. Meanwhile, I hope to influence the entire party to make a real commitment to those constitutional ideals not only for the sake of victory in November, but in order to redeem our nation from the disastrous course of recent years.”







If Ron Paul made such a speech, he could quickly put to rest most of the troubling questions about his campaign—though he’d still need to handle questions about his age if he ever approached the nomination. (He’d be older at the beginning of his term than a weary Reagan was when he left the White House after eight years.)

The question for Paul’s ardent supporters is: why wouldn’t their champion offer the constructive clarifications suggested above? If he truly counts as a savvy, mainstream conservative, why wouldn’t he want to apologize without equivocation for racist newsletters, distance himself from extremists and bigots, make it clear that he’s not bitterly anti-Israel, and unashamedly embrace the Republican Party—which, for all its faults, remains the only possible vehicle to move the nation in a more conservative direction?

Doesn’t his ongoing refusal to reassure the public forcefully and candidly on these crucial points give powerful ammunition to those who suggest that Ron Paul’s crotchety, avuncular exterior only partially hides an angry crank and conspiracist who deserves no serious consideration for high public office?




Paul will never give this speech. Hell, he will never give a speech incorporating even one of those clarifications. And that's why it looks like it'll be Mittens vs Barry this fall.



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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Phred]
    #15649537 - 01/11/12 12:41 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

> And that's why it looks like it'll be Mittens vs Barry this fall.

Even if Paul did believe all of that and did give that speech, I really don't think it would increase his mainstream support.


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Seuss]
    #15649553 - 01/11/12 12:45 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Even if Paul did believe all of that and did give that speech, I really don't think it would increase his mainstream support.




Tru dat. Such a speech is what is known as "necessary but not sufficient".



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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Phred]
    #15649601 - 01/11/12 12:59 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I have supported Paul in the past...these letters have thrown me from my support
...dice it anyway you want, what you are left with is some pretty shitty things..

....much like I cannot support Mitt for he acceptance of universal healthcare (even on the state level)
...if I hold on to my core beliefs...I cannot fully support Paul


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #15649620 - 01/11/12 01:03 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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....much like I cannot support Mitt for he acceptance of universal healthcare (even on the state level)




Yeah, it's terrible that he did just job of representing his constituents and what they wanted. State rights suck. :thumbdown:


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: fireworks_god]
    #15649733 - 01/11/12 01:35 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, it's terrible that he did just job of representing his constituents and what they wanted. State rights suck. :thumbdown:




Mitt's problem on the Romneycare thing is that he won't admit he fucked up. Now, there were some mitigating factors for his signing the bill originally - he was a Republican governor saddled with a Democratic legislature in one of the most Lefty-Libbie states in the country, so he decided not to veto the legislation. Also, it was not as apparent then as it is now that this kind of universal health care program would be as disastrous as its critics predicted it would be. Today, of course, it cannot be denied, which is why a majority of the country opposes Obamacare - we don't have to rely on predictions anymore, we can examine actual failed experiments such as Massachusetts and Hawaii.

But for some reason known to only God and Mitt, he simply will not say, "I made a huge mistake," (Arrested Development reference) and move on from there. It is absolutely ridiculous, and whoever is in charge of his campaign should lock Mitt in a room somewhere until he agrees to state the obvious - the Mass. health care plan was a very bad idea indeed.

The difference between Mitt and Ron is that Mitt undoubtedly knows signing the bill into law was a bad idea, but he somehow thinks acknowledging this obvious fact will be more damaging to his prospects than denying the obvious. So that's why he'll never make a speech disavowing his decision to sign the bill into law.  But in Ron Paul's case, he won't say the things proposed in Medved's sample speech not because he knows he was wrong and is afraid to admit it, but because he doesn't think he was wrong.



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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Phred]
    #15649828 - 01/11/12 02:08 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Ron Paul will never give the speech, nor should he have to. Every perceived mea culpa attributed to Paul that was posted by Medved has taken place either by obama or his underlings. Racist? Jesus Christ, on several occasions Obama has entertained the company of a man that calls whites lying cracker whores, homos, Jew hymies, he has incited violence and murder, and even had a black girl crawl into a garbage bag filled with dog shit, specifically so she could blame it on whites.

If Paul's words or those of some of his followers were found to be offensive, they pale in comparison to the actual tangible actions and deeds by those of obama and his admin. See ron paul not condemning any whites with billy clubs outside a voting station asking how do you niggers feel knowing your about to be ruled by the white man?

The overriding intangible that Paul does not possess is a likability factor. This is why others such as Newt, Palin, Cheney, et al. could never win. This is also why Romney will be the candidate of choice, and will ultimately lose to Obama.


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: fireworks_god]
    #15649845 - 01/11/12 02:12 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Im all for states rights, ala 10 amendment. Yet, to propose that it is the States responsibility,
to take care of citizens medically is preposterous.

You think states should ban contraception?....you can answer Stepanalpusses question

States can do it....you wont find me living there....Im not sure how you can call yourself a republican and sign it.

I am aware of the Democratic majority of Mass,
just like I am aware of Ron Paul not knowing
that racist comments where in his newsletter.....they both are excuses.


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #15649864 - 01/11/12 02:17 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Who cares if he's racist.

Obama favors blacks over whites.


Get the fuck over it

Yet you don't hear me bitching about Obama having any racist tendancies.
It is quite obvious


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Shill]
    #15649867 - 01/11/12 02:19 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Shill said:
Who cares if he's racist.

Obama favors blacks over whites.


Get the fuck over it





Some black beauty piss in your Wheaties?
Get over your hate.


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #15649878 - 01/11/12 02:22 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
Quote:

Shill said:
Who cares if he's racist.

Obama favors blacks over whites.


Get the fuck over it





Some black beauty piss in your Wheaties?
Get over your hate.






What hate? LOL

Theres no hatred in that post what-so-ever

In fact, the post implies that I don't give a fuck if anyone is racist.


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Shill]
    #15649885 - 01/11/12 02:24 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

You mean  saying that you dont complain about Obama being racist, right after to said he was racist?


Both are wrong.


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Shill]
    #15649901 - 01/11/12 02:26 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Who cares if he's racist


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Every non-minority American that he is pretending to represent should care if he is a racist.

Quote:

Obama favors blacks over whites.


Get the fuck over it




Exactly my point, and the hypocrisy is blinding. Paul should just state that if anyone (especially a half black president) disagrees with his ideals, voting record, or political stance, then they are racist, just as was done concerning Obama. Although I can't stand Romney, I'm sure that if he made the same statements that Obama and his cohorts have, he would be hung by the media, there would by a deafening outcry by the CBC, NAACP, and every other minority controlled group. And his chances for election would be dashed. He would be ostracized by the business community as they would be afraid to conduct business with a known racist. But withing the minority community the standards and bar are set are far, far lower, of course the media also facilitates this.


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Therian]
    #15649912 - 01/11/12 02:29 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I say he's racist because he is black....

95% chance he favors his race over whitey, why?? his wife is black.



You are missing the point, W H O C A R E S


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Shill]
    #15649932 - 01/11/12 02:33 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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You are missing the point, W H O C A R E S




You are missing the point, along with rudimentary reading skills. From my prior post.

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Every non-minority American that he is pretending to represent should care if he is a racist


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Therian]
    #15649941 - 01/11/12 02:35 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I wasn't talking to you my friend.

I was talking to SirTripAlot


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A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.

If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.

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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #15649973 - 01/11/12 02:43 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
You mean  saying that you dont complain about Obama being racist, right after to said he was racist?


Both are wrong.





nope... it's pretty well established that obama is a bigot


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15650001 - 01/11/12 02:49 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
You mean  saying that you dont complain about Obama being racist, right after to said he was racist?


Both are wrong.





nope... it's pretty well established that obama is a bigot





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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.

A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.

If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.

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And the wind blows it back again."
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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15650364 - 01/11/12 04:07 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

thats what I said...both are wrong


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Re: The speech Ron Paul will never give [Re: Shill]
    #15650370 - 01/11/12 04:08 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Thought the black man was keeping you down?


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