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Around July when I did my first grow in over a year, I had some pretty giant fruits coming in on my 2nd through 4th flush. I decided to clone a large B+ fruit that weighed in at around 80g. When I did my recent experiment with a new mix of substrate I used the LC that I had made from the clone. I haven't had time to dedicate to my hobby lately and let the fully colonized cakes sit for another 3-5 weeks before putting them in my SGFC. They are now starting to fruit about 2 weeks since putting them into fruiting conditions.
My SGFC had to be modified a bit due to the dry winter conditions, and it wasn't till recently that I had the time to actually care for the cakes properly. Most of the cakes are pinning nicely but I have noticed that they a lot of them are breaking there veils very very early. I mean no bigger then a cm, and the biggest being around a half inch. I am planning on re dunking the cakes tonight due to them drying out, but I'm wondering if it is genetics or environment that is causing these problems. I am wondering if cloning second/third flush fruits will result in better later flushes and poor first flushes? I don't have much knowledge regarding the effects of genetics on flushes. So if you know anything about cloning late flush mushrooms, and its effects on future grows I would love to hear it.
Sounds environmental to me.. overly dry cakes and probably a lower humidity is forcing the maturity of the mushrooms.. dunking won't save this flush, so I'd harvest and dunk afterwords.. maybe you'll get more..
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Environment could be the issue, but I have forgot a SGFC in the basement one time for over a week. No fanning, no misting, and I came back to a full flush of B+. They were perfect, no fuzzy stems, no cracked tops. This leads me to think genetics are playing a bigger factor in all of this. That being said the cakes that haven't been fruited yet are actually doing better invitro then these. I am going to do some tweeking and redunk. I was more wondering if cloning later flushes would result in poor first flushes.
If you initial sub was done with MS, it stands to reason the second or third flush would have more homogeonous genetics, which I think would be better. Do you have a picture? The first thing I think of when the veils are opening early is vermicillium, are the caps tilted?
I can get a picture later, but no the caps are not tilted. The best way to describe it is the ones that pop the earliest look like they are growing out of a cap. Literally looks like the bottoms are forming caps and popping open and then a pin is growing out of it, then the veil on the top breaks. There are others that just look like normal pins put the veil breaks early, oddly the caps aren't opening, I have left the largest pin(which is about an inch long)go for 4 days after breaking its veil, and its cap will not open. I can see black spores under the cap so it has already dropped spores but just wont fan open. I have noticed this on all the mushrooms from this grow, invitro or in the SGFC, the caps just wont open.
I just redunked and blocked up holes on my SGFC(which I usually do no matter the season). I am just used to cubes being way less picky about environment. The more I grow the more I realize that keeping perfect humidity and perfect FAE is worthless. Yet this grow is being very difficult. I am thinking more and more its the genetics...Because isn't it always?
I always clone from the first flush. In fact, I usually clone the first few pins that pop up before they even mature to get the healthiest, most aggressive myc, not tired myc that has already spent a lot of its energy. I see a lot of people cloning from the 2nd+ flush because the particular fruit was larger, but anyone that has grown will tell you mushrooms from later flushes are typically fewer, but larger with the main reason being that there are less fruitbodies competing for the remaining nutrients.
In my experience the first pins usually end up being the largest fruits from the first flush, so why not clone the fruit that popped up first, fastest and will likely be largest anyway?
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Iv always heard that cloning from the first flush was the way to go. I also always clone a fruit if it pops up on an agar sample, using the same philosophy. I never thought to do it on my mono's tho. Makes perfect sense, don't know why I never put two and two together. I'm always looking for the perfect mushrooms growing in perfect clusters. Yet what your saying makes too much sense to ignore, plus it will be a lot easier cloning a pin then picking through a garden of mature fruits. Thanks for the advice
I recently re dunked the cakes in question, blocked up some holes to get a more constant humidity, and also moved them to a warmer place, along with fanning and misting as normal. They are still experiencing the same problems as before. The pins form and then before they even reach a half inch there caps pop and they stop growing. I was thinking that it was A: shitty genetics due to cloning a later flush mushroom, or B: Environmental(AKA temp and humidity). Yet the monotub that was made from the same clone LC is doing awesome. I would also like to add that they are in the same place, so the environment is the same.
I have heard that some variants, clones, or isolates grow better on certain substrates? I doubt this is the cause...But it's really the only difference between the BRF cakes and the Coir/Rye/WBS monotub. Has anyone experienced a similar situation; where an isolate or clone did poorly on BRF cakes and then stellar on a monotub? I can post pictures of the mono, or the cakes if that would help.